Animal Techniques, Are They A Waste?

“	Originally Posted By: Lugaldamhara I like giving my little brother a noogie to the head and a wedgie every once in a while. Unfortunately that doesn't speak anything towards the efficacy of those techniques in a self defense/combat scenario.	”

I meant it as a noogie/wedgie type thing, dude. I wasn't commenting on its effectiveness in actual fighting, just that it is not completely worthless.

well obviously the noogie is not being applied

with the correct use of energy or alignment

maybe after 20 year of cultivating your noogchi you may think differently

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“	Originally Posted By: Jade_Dragon_03 It does not make sense to throw a tiger claw strike to someone's foot or do a crane beak to someone's shin. quote] I disagree with this part, only because I like to give my nephew a swift crane beak on his shin when we spar. He gets pissed. Its pretty funny.	”

OK that might have been a bad example but you get what I'm trying to say though, right?

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Mark
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I'd be interested to try and devlop such techniques. To be honest I have never had a great deal of faith in most of them. I reakon you would have to have alot of training and experience under your belt and alot of time to kill when fighting to use them properly.

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“	Originally Posted By: Hero I'd be interested to try and devlop such techniques. To be honest I have never had a great deal of faith in most of them. I reakon you would have to have alot of training and experience under your belt and alot of time to kill when fighting to use them properly.	”

You can incorporate animal techniques in with your regular style fighting. By regular style fighting I mean your typical punches and kicks and grappling (reverse punch, backfist, front jab, uppercut, backfist, front kick, side kick, , etc....). For example, when in a fight and you happen to end up in a "clinch" position (which happens alot in fights) this would be a good time to try and do an eagle claw to the throat since your hand is in that general area due to being in the "clinch" position. Or pherhaps even a snake hand strike to the throat in that same situation. If your really in a wrestling war and your tied up with him and you want to seperate yourself from him because you don't like to grapple you could possibly try for a "monkey grabs peaches" technique (grab his testicles). It just depends on the situation and what targets you have to aim for.

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“	Originally Posted By: Jade_Dragon_03 For example, when in a fight and you happen to end up in a "clinch" position (which happens alot in fights) this would be a good time to try and do an eagle claw to the throat since your hand is in that general area due to being in the "clinch" position. Or pherhaps even a snake hand strike to the throat in that same situation. If your really in a wrestling war and your tied up with him and you want to seperate yourself from him because you don't like to grapple you could possibly try for a "monkey grabs peaches" technique (grab his testicles). It just depends on the situation and what targets you have to aim for.	”

Dont you have to train using an eagle claw to properly apply one ?
I don't see how you can use a snake hand strike to the throat in a clinch. Atleast with any degree of worthy force.
I would be more inclined to try and dominate the clinch through other means personally.
Finally, isn't it "monkey steals the peach" ? Also, I have seen people try and get out of grappling situations through what some might call "dirty tricks". Every one of them submits before the person having his "peach stolen" releases the hold.

Fights happen pretty quickly, and what you generaly have hard wired into your system is what comes out in the time of crisis. If you stop to think "I will now apply my eagle claw" chances are your about to go down. I would rather spend my training time hard wiring other (atleast to me) more appropriate manouvers into my system.

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Hero, do you have to be a boxer or fighter to be able to throw a punch? Of course not. Anyone can use these different strikes as long as you know what strike to use and to what part of the body is best to use it on. My point is that when fighting a particular part of your opponents body might become open and the timing might be right to throw the strike that is best suited for that opening. The only thing that you really need to know ionside and out is the different type of hand strikes and to what part of the biody it is bested suited for. Here is a list of some strikes and what part of the body it is best suited for.

1. tiger claw - face
2. snake hand strike - eyes, throat, groin, pressure points/nerves
3. crane beak - eye and temple
4. palm strike - face (nose inparticular), ears
5. iron palm (heal of the palm coming from a downward motion) - bridge of the nose and/or collar bone
6. immortal man strike (index finger and middle finger extended straight and tightly together) - eye & throat
7. ox hand strike (using the ridge of the hand close to the wrist and strikeing down with a snapping of the wrist) - collar bone
8. open tigers mouth strike (the rounding part of the hand that makes up the index finger to the thumb) - used to the throat, usually in conjunction with a leg sweep at the same time to help take opponent down.
two finger poke (index finger & middle finger) - used to the eyes
9. leapard paw strike - ribs, armpit, bridge of the nose, on mustles (kinda like when you give someone a frog),various other areas.
10. thumb strike - to the eyes
11. chicken wrist strike (using the back of the wrist, the bony part, coming from across the body. ie; if using the left hand then it would come across from the right side) - used to strike the temple and/or sometimes for blocking punches.
12. Thrust punch - punch thrown verticle. You should know when & where to throw this punch.
13. reverse punch - punch thrown horizontally. You should know when & where to throw this punch.
14. hammerfist strike - this strike uses the side of the fist (the side that has your pinie finger) to strike with. Should know when & where to throw this punch.


These are a few of the different hand strikes to know. You never know when the oppertunity will arise when you could use one of these strikes. It may just be by luck that an opening comes available but the key is to recognize it fast and know what strike to use before that opening is gone.

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I honestly believe if a properly trained and practiced technique has be around for more than 4 generations it has some worth. partially because its been proven (im bassing the time on a generation being 25yrs so itsa probably seem combat) now the question is.

A) Is it being taught with the Intent it was desinged with.
B) Is it being learned and practiced with INTENT.

I personally believe most things work when the situation is right and the above criteria are followed.

I don't know... When a fight goes down theres alot of adrenaline going on. Your hands and fingers would need to be pretty well conditioned with other beneficial factors gained from training in order for your opponent to really even feel anything. Aren't we talking about animal strikes, half of them aren't even as such.
I'd put more faith in my fist for a fair few of those aswell. I've never been in a fight where two people stand off trading probing jabs and shuffeling around looking for an opening. It's BAM the fight begins, next thing you know your face to face, either someone gets stopped in their tracks and or then it turns into a wrestling match. Atleast in my experience anyway.

And to answer your first question : No, but it certainly helps.

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That's why the original developers of said animal stuff didn't engage in fantasy uses of fantasy "animal punches" or "animal TEKKNIKKS", but did a LOT of hands and body conditioning before they even considered using those hands in more uncommon ways to deal REAL damage. A furniture packer I know has such awfully strong hands, he CAN do damage grabbing something. A clerk probably not. That means you need conditioning or better do something else.

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I agree Nik

Attributes over Techniques . Nicely said Nik