What would you like to see in a Hung Kuen book?

Illusion:
12 bridges are already mentioned, your take on those would be great.

Recently, I have been thinking about the 6 movements of the human body. If i remember them correctly: Spit/swallow, Open/close, and float/sink

I would lover to hear about how those basic bodily movements apply specifically to Hung gar.

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Hung Gar/Win Chung student

Sounds really interesting, I would definatly purchase a copy.

1st things I would search for in a hung gar book would be:

clear explanation for all readers, even somone who doesnt know anything.

-12 bridge hands
-5 animals, 5 elements
as mentioned above, the six body movements...

Images be good for clarification of chosen movements from certains forms.

cant think of anything else atm... Good luck

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How about speaking about the other arts that have found their way into Hung Kuen? I don't know maybe something about the Lama aspects and uhh maybe the Black Tiger within also


Wow I don't know I can never hear enough about Black Tiger in so many styles LOL



Nah bro I'm sure anything you put together would recieve a great amount of interest. Maybe in your studies you could find out more about sister styles like Hung Fut and Hak Fu Mun or Jow Gar as well.


jeff

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The 12 bridges is a funny topic, because, up until a few years ago, hardly anybody knew about them. If you did know about the 12 bridges, it was a sign of how long you've been doing the system, and, more importantly, it was a sign that your Sifu probably knew what he was talking about.

Now, tons of websites have the 12 bridges listed, and it's quite obvious that many who speak about the 12 bridges are talking completely out of their rear end on it. The talk about the 12 bridges has become analogous to the pontificating about the 8 jings of Tai Ji, etc.

Illusionfist: here's a quick question for you (actually it'd be nice to have your take on it in your book) - do you consider the 12 bridges tactical, strategic, or both?

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“	Originally Posted By: mok Illusionfist: here's a quick question for you (actually it' be nice to have your take on it in your book) - do you consider the 12 bridges tactical, strategic, or both?	”

Well, first off, it depends on how you define "strategy" and "tactics."

Generally speaking, you can break them down into three classifications- martial, energetic (i.e. ging analysis), and philosophical.

“	Originally Posted By: illusionfist Well, first off, it depends on how you define "strategy" and "tactics." Generally speaking, you can break them down into three classifications- martial, energetic (i.e. ging analysis), and philosophical.	”

Don't get philosophical on me - you're avoiding the question! (a bit of wan kiu, there? - haha )

Let me take a quick example: bik kiu = pressing.
Pressing on a limb = tactical
Pressing on a limb to control center = still tactical/borderline strategic
Pressing on a limb to control center and unbalance opponent = strategic

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“	Originally Posted By: mok Don't get philosophical on me - you're avoiding the question! (a bit of wan kiu, there? - haha ) Let me take a quick example: bik kiu = pressing. Pressing on a limb = tactical Pressing on a limb to control center = still tactical/borderline strategic Pressing on a limb to control center and unbalance opponent = strategic	”

Nah, I'm not avoiding the question, its just that some folks use the two words interchangeably sometimes. However, you are differentiating them correctly.

With that being said, I think you answered your own question, haha. Also, I think you'd probably agree that bik kiu is integral to Hung Kuen's overall fighting strategy.

As far as tactics go, another area that seems to be forgotten these days is the actual kiu sau methods (sometimes called the 12 treasures). These are actual tactics/techniques that are based from the bridges, like pek, gwa, chum (sink), mo (grind), etc. So these bring a bit more clarity as far application goes, and they aren't as abstract as the actual 12 bridges.

If one wanted to go further, there is actually 12 kiu ma, which solely deals with the legs.

Peace

“	Originally Posted By: illusionfist If one wanted to go further, there is actually 12 kiu ma, which solely deals with the legs. Peace	”

I would definitely like to read more about that Illusionfist.

“	Originally Posted By: illusionfist As far as tactics go, another area that seems to be forgotten these days is the actual kiu sau methods (sometimes called the 12 treasures). These are actual tactics/techniques that are based from the bridges, like pek, gwa, chum (sink), mo (grind), etc. So these bring a bit more clarity as far application goes, and they aren't as abstract as the actual 12 bridges.	”

Pek and Mo I know nothing of... and I don't think this forum is the right place to discuss them either - so yeah, please include them in your book .

Duo Jie.

mok

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How about an illustrated dictionary of hungkuen? This does pose some problems.

e.g the illustrations themselves. (Although you can get a pretty good illustration style by using a digital camera and converting the image to water colour with a photo editor.)

The biggest problem is that illustrated books cost more to produce which makes the job of selling the idea to a publisher harder. After all you want your book on the shelves in the big book shops so you want a large publisher to distribute it.

On the other hand it would make writing the book relatively easy because each entry can be relatively self contained. And an a to z structure is nice and simple.

E.g. Tarn Sau, (i know this is a winchung technique but i don't know the Chinese for any hung keun tecs)

Begin with a literal English translation, follow with an illustration of how to do a correct Tarn Sau, an illustration of how to use it in defence, an illustration of how to use it in attack, end with a brief explanation of its role in fight strategy.

Such a book would be incredibly useful not only to people like me who learnt in English so I don’t know what any of the Chinese means, but to beginners who would use it as a refresher and intermediates who could use it to widen their overview of the art. It would be an excellent “dipping book” since each section would be broadly self contained. It would also be very useful to anyone using forums such as this who are excluded from some of the strands because they lack the correct technical language.

I am currently working on getting my two martial arts books published. I would be more than happy to share what I have learned about good formats for book submissions and how to pitch to publishers.

This offer applies to all authers out there.

Tom Bayley

ps are you also currently known as Chris H ?

“	Originally Posted By: Tom Bayley [size=2] ps are you also currently known as Chris H ?	”

Yep...