Wanted: Info on Shaolin Do Karate

**WraithAlcon** · #**166** (**permalink**) December 13th, 2007, 03:16 PM

Just cutting off an escape to keep the thread going. ^_^

Jade_Dragon_03 · #**167** (**permalink**) December 13th, 2007, 03:27 PM

nkyshaolin.....Cousin It is a long lost realative of Hairy Man isn't he? Come on, you can admit it to us.....LOL. Don't be ashamed.

nkyshaolin · #**168** (**permalink**) December 13th, 2007, 05:16 PM

Backing off a little bit let me take another approach. And please bear with me i just want to give you all my perspective with this (right or wrong). Wraith, it shows that you live in Greensboro NC. Say i was to come on this website and state the following

"Greensboro is the worst place in the US and only theives and liars come from there. oh and by the way i've never stepped foot in Greensboro but a buddy of mine spent a year there and he said it's dispicable. The group of people he was with there were always drunk and they were pushing old ladies down all the time so the whole city is useless. And i read an article that said they misrepresent there crime rate. it's actually much higher from what some guy said on a blog."

I apologize for being dramatic but wouldn't you take offense to that even if you didn't live there anymore? And how can i state such things about a place i've never been just reading secondhand knowledge. Granted you can get information on just about anything but i'm placing an irrational light on things. That's how i feel right now with this thread. everyone speaking ill about a place they've never been.....

nkyshaolin · #**169** (**permalink**) December 13th, 2007, 05:22 PM

“	You discount JD experience but you believe a man that says he would master a form everyday and go to school at the same time?	”

No i discount his experience because he is the one who started this cannon foder thread asking about SD and now he claims he found out all he needed to know about the system at 13 when he used to be student. Why ask about SD if you know so much and already made a decision on it in the first place...to bash maybe?

Unkotare · #**170** (**permalink**) December 13th, 2007, 05:36 PM

Are we gonna have to get into the actual meaning of "wushu" again?

**Mei Hua** · #**171** (**permalink**) December 14th, 2007, 01:38 AM

“	Originally Posted By: nkyshaolin Backing off a little bit let me take another approach. And please bear with me i just want to give you all my perspective with this (right or wrong). Wraith, it shows that you live in Greensboro NC. Say i was to come on this website and state the following "Greensboro is the worst place in the US and only theives and liars come from there. oh and by the way i've never stepped foot in Greensboro but a buddy of mine spent a year there and he said it's dispicable. The group of people he was with there were always drunk and they were pushing old ladies down all the time so the whole city is useless. And i read an article that said they misrepresent there crime rate. it's actually much higher from what some guy said on a blog." I apologize for being dramatic but wouldn't you take offense to that even if you didn't live there anymore? And how can i state such things about a place i've never been just reading secondhand knowledge. Granted you can get information on just about anything but i'm placing an irrational light on things. That's how i feel right now with this thread. everyone speaking ill about a place they've never been.....	”

It's funny, you do insult the people here, case in point you insulted me for not being an American or spending any time there so I couldn't know WTF I was talking about, unfortunately I was born in and spent 30 years there, so you showed what a complete ass you were, still hope you pull your head out of it so we can get back to rational discussion, but I doubt it as I continue to see that same logic of yours being used against others.

I know and have experience with those who have solid first hand experience with Shaolin Don't, have spoken with people who have had their curriculum stolen by Sing The and reclaimed as his. The fact that countless former students come onto forums and tell their horror stories about the training, the management, the fraudulent system, the BS, the BS contracts and how crappy the system is, speaks volumes of how big a McDojo Shaolin Don't is, but I suppose I shouldn't expect you to believe that as seen by your constant defending of it, but what else could you expect from someone who spent 15 years in a McDojo?

nkyshaolin · #**172** (**permalink**) December 14th, 2007, 07:23 AM

“	It's funny, you do insult the people here, case in point you insulted me for not being an American or spending any time there so I couldn't know WTF I was talking about, unfortunately I was born in and spent 30 years there, so you showed what a complete ass you were, still hope you pull your head out of it so we can get back to rational discussion, but I doubt it as I continue to see that same logic of yours being used against others.	”

Yet calling someone an ass and putting pictures up of big bird is not insulting at all is? Nice that you've lost anything intellegent to post so you decide to start lobbing rocks like that. You originally came on here calling M. Sin a thief and crook and whatever and I merely pointed ou that there are no schools in England for you to have first hand knowledge from. If you took that as an insult then you have many other issues. And typically people who feel the need to bash other systems have inadequacies in their own system. It's the same grade school playground bully crap i've seen a million time on this and many other sites. "let's gang up and bash on a another system because some MMA guy said mine sucked. " Grow up! The guy who even started this thread was obviously fishing to start some crap. He claimed to be part of the system yet started this fire asking about information for it?

“	I know and have experience with those who have solid first hand experience with Shaolin Don't, have spoken with people who have had their curriculum stolen by Sing The and reclaimed as his. The fact that countless former students come onto forums and tell their horror stories about the training, the management, the fraudulent system, the BS, the BS contracts and how crappy the system is, speaks volumes of how big a McDojo Shaolin Don't is, but I suppose I shouldn't expect you to believe that as seen by your constant defending of it, but what else could you expect from someone who spent 15 years in a McDojo?	”

You know i'm sure if we could get a hold of some your former students they'd say the exact same flipping thing. It's call the 80/20 rule. For any school, workplace, process whatever 20% (of the members or whatever) cause 80% of the issues. the problem with SD is it has a **** load of members so that 20% is pretty big. And a lot of these guys who come on here bashing the system come from about 10% of the schools which are typically west of the Mississippi. None by the way affiliated with the SDA. You know i originally came here to try to dispell some of the myths that people tend to propigate about this system but now it's just getting fun to see everyones true identity. Wraith earlier you called me out for insulting people and saying something about me just reiterating the stereotype of SD yet i don't here crap from you when someone calls me an ass. Which by the way Mei is nice representation your school ....oh wait a minute you don't have your school posted here do you Mei??

**Mei Hua** · #**173** (**permalink**) December 14th, 2007, 07:35 AM

LOL

I don't have any McDojo crap students in mine nor have I ever, I don't teach like Shaolin Do, which in all reality has no Shaolin in it, unless they stole it, which is what they did if they claim to have any. I teach practical, I teach sensible, I teach realistic, not all of my students are the best, but each is as good as they can be, they give their all and in return they get my 200%

My school is listed, look it up, both in the US and in Great Britain

You were called an ass because you did insult me, you insulted JD and have insulted everyone else, you come off as the authority on Shaolin Don't when everything and everyone has proven the numerous bad things about the style, repeatedly.
I understand being suckered into a McDojo and having to read about it on a forum can get your hackles up, but don't blame us for your 15 year mistake.
Everything we've stated has been proven 100% true by us, by numerous sources who either have direct experience or are authorities on the subject.

nkyshaolin · #**174** (**permalink**) December 14th, 2007, 08:44 AM

[quote][Everything we've stated has been proven 100% true by us, by numerous sources who either have direct experience or are authorities on the subject./QUOTE]

And yet i have not seen one resource listed or name given or anything. You just keep saying "it's 100% true and there are many sources" yet you don't site any specific incedent or fact. You have no credibility at all IMO. And I find it amazing that your school has never had any issue whatsoever and that everyone there is perfectly happy and has never left for any reason. I'd say that's crap but i know how easily you're offended.

“	I teach practical, I teach sensible, I teach realistic, not all of my students are the best, but each is as good as they can be, they give their all and in return they get my 200%	”

And you can't accept that I attended an SD school that was exactly like that? Even though I'm guessing you've probably never stepped inside a decent SD school.

“	You were called an ass because you did insult me, you insulted JD and have insulted everyone else, you come off as the authority on Shaolin Don't when everything and everyone has proven the numerous bad things about the style, repeatedly.	”

Yeah i think 15 years in the system I can speak as an authority. You've spent 20 in yours are you not an authority? Or should i grab up someone who's only been there a few months/years and get their opinion on your system. Or maybe i'll just ask someone who's quit your system and post their opinion of your school as fact...how does that sound.

The more i get into this the more i realize that i'm banging my head up against a wall. In all reality i have no right to even defend the school since i don't belong there anymore. I'm just trying to present a different side of what you've been stating and you're so defensive you can't even accept that my experience was good. Has someone in SD wronged you in former life or something. I mean if there is a deeper meaning for your rants let them out....

**Mei Hua** · #**175** (**permalink**) December 14th, 2007, 08:57 AM

“	Originally Posted By: nkyshaolin And yet i have not seen one resource listed or name given or anything. You just keep saying "it's 100% true and there are many sources" yet you don't site any specific incedent or fact. You have no credibility at all IMO.	”

Fair enough, you also have not shown me any evidence that Shaolin Do and Sin The have not done anything of which everyone, not only those here, accuse them and him of. Thus you continue to support a McDojo and defend it even though the evidence contrary to your claims has been shown on numerous forums, just check any one out an do a search

“	And I find it amazing that your school has never had any issue whatsoever and that everyone there is perfectly happy and has never left for any reason. I'd say that's crap but i know how easily your offended.	”

Only one student have we ever had a problem with and that was only after refusing to listen and endangering another student with a weapon wielded carelessly

“	And you can't accept that I attended an SD school that was exactly like that? Even though I'm guessing you've probably never stepped inside a decent SD school.	”

You're right, I have stepped into two different crappy Shaolin Do schools where the contract requirements made me frown and the instruction and practice by the instructors/students were sub par to even crappy martial arts

“	Yeah i think 15 years in the system I can speak as an authority. You've spent 20 in yours are you not an authority or should i grab up someone who's only been there a few months, years and get their opinion on your system. Or maybe i'll just ask someone who's quit your system and post their opinion of your school as fact...how does that sound.	”

I never said you weren't an authority on your school, but all the evidence is in fact contrary to your claims, every crappy money guzzling crappy teaching BS fraudulent system can have good martial artists and a good school, I'm glad you were at one, but your experiences do not match the majority of others who come out with their findings and experiences.
And, please do grab any of our students, all that have left due to job, moving away or going to another school always come back to train when and if they want, or just to visit and hang out.
They do that because we do not restrict their options, we're a close and friendly group who help each other out, we teach honestly, practically, truthfully and give clear explanations for a very reasonable price without charging them any money for their gradings.

“	The more i get into this the more i realize that i'm banging my head up against a wall. In all reality i have no right to even defend the school since i don't belong there anymore. I'm just trying to present a different side of what you've been stating and you're so defensive you can't even accept that my experience was good.	”

I never said your opinion wasn't good mate, it's just your experiences are an oasis of good in the middle of a desert of bad fraudulent BS.

nkyshaolin · #**176** (**permalink**) December 14th, 2007, 09:28 AM

And I want to apologize to you Mei because I have seen you system (albeit on youtube) and from what i have seen it is outstanding. I am (in my own goofball way) trying to make a point that you can't take one experience and assume that is the end all be all for the group as a whole. I'm sure your school is a fine school. I merely stating some of the things said here are in fact a little irresponsible considering people are on here claiming that M. Sin is a crook and other potenially libel statements. Take a look at the definition of defamation:

In law, defamation is the communication of a statement that makes a false claim, expressly stated or implied to be factual, that may harm the reputation of an individual, business, product, group, government or nation. Most jurisdictions allow legal actions, civil and/or criminal, to deter various kinds of defamation and retaliate against groundless criticism.

Notice it says group. Regardless if everything said on this post about M. Sin is true there some really good SD schools who put their life into there their art and are outstanding martial artist and these criticisms don't apply to them. And by the way most of the SD schools as well as M. Sin, are very open with their finances and will disclose what the schools uses the money for. Some of the ones i know do this for a living, albeit a meager one at that. I defend this art for those guys mostly because i know their knowledge is applicable and they do good work to spread the virtues of CMA.

**WraithAlcon** · #**177** (**permalink**) December 14th, 2007, 09:37 AM

“	Originally Posted By: nkyshaolin Backing off a little bit let me take another approach. And please bear with me i just want to give you all my perspective with this (right or wrong). Wraith, it shows that you live in Greensboro NC. Say i was to come on this website and state the following "Greensboro is the worst place in the US and only theives and liars come from there. oh and by the way i've never stepped foot in Greensboro but a buddy of mine spent a year there and he said it's dispicable. The group of people he was with there were always drunk and they were pushing old ladies down all the time so the whole city is useless. And i read an article that said they misrepresent there crime rate. it's actually much higher from what some guy said on a blog."	”

Interesting that you would relate what is said about Shaolin Do to a locale like a City. But I can't say the above would bother me at all. If I saw a lot of postings I might actually be spurred to investigating where I live a little more. This is actually not too far off from a reality a few years back when the city's crooked police force was exposed, forcing the Police Chief to resign. But yeah...can't say it would really bug me if someone was badmouthing the city I live in.

“	The more i get into this the more i realize that i'm banging my head up against a wall. In all reality i have no right to even defend the school since i don't belong there anymore. I'm just trying to present a different side of what you've been stating and you're so defensive you can't even accept that my experience was good. Has someone in SD wronged you in former life or something. I mean if there is a deeper meaning for your rants let them out....	”

You are doing more than trying to present a different side...at least at this point you are. Your first post was informative and did offer a different perspective, but yes now you are acting like you own stock in Shaolin Do and this thread will cause it to plummet.

The fact of the matter is, I believe, that you are probably the only person so far to say anything good about Shaolin Do. So expecting everyone to take the opinion of 1 person over the many many other horror stories of former stundents (along with the confirmed info of outrageous claims by the teacher and questionable business practices) is kinda silly no?

**Mei Hua** · #**178** (**permalink**) December 14th, 2007, 09:43 AM

“	Originally Posted By: nkyshaolin And I want to apologize to you Mei because I have seen you system (albeit on youtube) and from what i have seen it is outstanding. I am (in my own goofball way) trying to make a point that you can't take one experience and assume that is the end all be all for the group as a whole. I'm sure your school is a fine school. I merely stating some of the things said here are in fact a little irresponsible considering people are on here claiming that M. Sin is a crook and other potenially libel statements. Take a look at the definition of defamation: In law, defamation is the communication of a statement that makes a false claim, expressly stated or implied to be factual, that may harm the reputation of an individual, business, product, group, government or nation. Most jurisdictions allow legal actions, civil and/or criminal, to deter various kinds of defamation and retaliate against groundless criticism. Notice it says group. Regardless if everything said on this post about M. Sin is true there some really good SD schools who put their life into there their art and are outstanding martial artist and these criticisms don't apply to them. And by the way most of the SD schools as well as M. Sin, are very open with their finances and will disclose what the schools uses the money for. Some of the ones i know do this for a living, albeit a meager one at that. I defend this art for those guys mostly because i know their knowledge is applicable and they do good work to spread the virtues of CMA.	”

Cheers mate

I apologize for being a hard as as well and know that the pictures I posted were just a joke done in my sense of humor, nothing personal about them.

I understand you had some great training and experiences with your school, I'm glad that's so and it worked out for you. I don't think Shaolin Do is itself a bad system and everyone is crap, I do frown on the bad that is done in their name though, as with any style that should be addressed and corrected if found, even in my system I've brought change for the better when things were not their best and I'm lucky enough I had a brilliant master who supported me in that and helped me out,, as well as haveing kung fu brothers that do the same.

nkyshaolin · #**179** (**permalink**) December 14th, 2007, 09:50 AM

“	The fact of the matter is, I believe, that you are probably the only person so far to say anything good about Shaolin Do. So expecting everyone to take the opinion of 1 person over the many many other horror stories of former stundents (along with the confirmed info of outrageous claims by the teacher and questionable business practices) is kinda silly no?	”

Point taken. I am kind of the lone wolf out here aren't i? I am just saying i at no time experienced the kind of things that are posted here. My experiences were good and I moved on. I spent a lot of time there and maybe we were sheltered by our master in some instances, but of all the schools i was apart of I never experienced any McDojo-ism. Again they were always very open with their finances, never any hidden fees (that i experienced) and I never once in the 15 years i spent there signed a contract. By the way most schools i've visited since do make you sign contracts except the MMA school i recently visited.

bak_choy · #**180** (**permalink**) December 14th, 2007, 09:52 AM

Maybe nky could tell us a little bit about his training at the SD school he was at and why it was different from others experiences?

If he did already in previous posts just kick me in the arse and tell me where... I'm too lazy to go back through the thread and re-read.