Wanted: Info on Shaolin Do Karate

Wow...unbelievable that he would deliberitely teach a known form and call it something else. No wonder they have a bad rep. Imagine if you were a student of thiers demonstrating these forms and someone called your bluff on it and told you you were doing a different form. If you didn't know this you would be so sad to find out that you had been lied to.

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“	Originally Posted By: Jade_Dragon_03 What do you mean by makling the student start over? And that all that training was worthless?	”

They might of changed it, but as of 4 years ago or so they basically had Tiers. For instance, you would do 1 style for the 1st Tier. Once you learned all of that style (or I suppose if you were bored), you would be invited to join the next Tier. The next Tier would contain a different style(s) and you would have to start over from the ground up. It would be the equivalent of learning Choy Lay Fut and then being told to learn Shuai Jiao. And then there are also the "advanced" sparring classes, Chin Na classes, ect...Bear in mind that each extra class you would be invited to would cost more and more $$$.

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"I see no virtue where I smell no sweat"
"Arm yourself because no one else here will save you" - Chris Cornell

“	Originally Posted By: Jade_Dragon_03 Wow...unbelievable that he would deliberitely teach a known form and call it something else. No wonder they have a bad rep. Imagine if you were a student of thiers demonstrating these forms and someone called your bluff on it and told you you were doing a different form. If you didn't know this you would be so sad to find out that you had been lied to.	”

Indeed, that's a good point.

Luckily enough, the founder of our system, Great Grandmaster Cous In Itt, would never do something like that.

He brought our style, Shaoaikidolin to the US, from a secret temple high in the celestial mountains, where he was the only one taught this destructive style, it was so effective, he often was the only one needed to defend the temple against a Warlord's* band of thugs.


Thankfully he taught my master the entire style before passing away and my master passed it on to me





<------ Our late Great Grandmaster

















Not our warlord(blade) but another

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Mei I got to give credit to you for one thing.....you do have a sense of humor. But seriously though, why would anyone want to study this system if they are constantly having to start over? Do they get to keep their rankor does that start over as well?

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“	Originally Posted By: Jade_Dragon_03 Mei I got to give credit to you for one thing.....you do have a sense of humor. But seriously though, why would anyone want to study this system if they are constantly having to start over? Do they get to keep their rankor does that start over as well?	”

That's a good question, it's a typical cult mentality.
They give you encouragement, show off what the next level is and can do against a compliant enemy. Tell you how great it is and will make you better and then pressure you to join.

If anyone here remembers the Chung Moo Doe/United Martial Arts group, they did and do the same thing, they start you out and teach you all this cool stuff at a really reasonable price so you think you're getting a deal then when you advance in rank and have learned all the first level stuff, they hit you with a price hike and tell you you will not get your blackbelt quickly enough if you do not join the blackbelt club which is an extra $200 a month on top of the $150 they are charging you per month already and you have to pass a credit check and sign a yearly contract.

Gotta love McDojos

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We always had a joke about them. It went like this...Sin us the money and you can Hwang the diploma (Hwang is Sin The's brother). Money making racket they have. Sin The's brother is now a grandmaster of a style he made up called Central Shaolin Kung Fu. They don't even recognize each other on thier web site when you look under the history. They make no mention of each other since their parting of the ways. From what I hear Hwang The' got fed up with Sin The's greedy ways. The two brothers owned a large training facility and they (Sin The') decided to put in a wave pool that cost like a million dollars. What Sin did not realize is that it could only be used for 3 or 4 months in the summer and not be used in winter time. So basically make no money from it in the winter months. They went broke from this and Hwang The' got pissed and the two split.

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Mark

LMAO

At least they got what they deserved

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"Grandmaster" Hwang The' teaches at the YMCA and "Grandmaster" Sin The' has a school but leaves the teaching to "Elder Master" Bill Leonard. Sin The' is in Hollywood I was told trying to break into the movie bus.

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One thing I have noticed is that people tend to put up with a lot of bull**** just to get their blackbelt. They think that it is some magical pinacle and that it someone makes them special. The reality is that its just a piece of cloth.

I received a Black Belt in Goju Ryu Karate after 8 years of practice. I believe the youngest my Sensei ever awarded someone their Black Belt was at 15 years old, and I got mine at 16. The test was so informal, no one knew they were taking it...it was just an extra hard workout. Then, when the class was almost over, he walked to his gym bag and started handing out belts. 5 people received their Black Belts with me.

So maybe its because I already have received one...but I really never cared about getting another Black belt in any other style. Really all I cared about was learning.

But then again, I know several people who have stuck learning something they don't like just to get their Black Belt and quit. The funny thing is, after they get it they no longer care about belts in other styles. Its almost like getting the belt is a key to freedom. Like it allows you to move forward with your thoughts and training from the tnagible to the intangible.

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"You must eat bitter before you can taste sweet"- Iron & Silk
"I see no virtue where I smell no sweat"
"Arm yourself because no one else here will save you" - Chris Cornell

Oh God my test was horrible. I came in for class and my teacher says to stretch out for about 15 - 20 minutes. Then he has me and two others run for 4.7 miles (he had someone in a car follow us to make sure we didn't cheat). Then when we got back to the gym from the run we did sit ups while he "tapped" us on the stmoach with a short club/stick, then we did push ups, monkey jumps, break a patio tile, then did all the martial art material such as hand strikes, kicks, forms, self defense, etc... It was hell. All three of us made it and were the first black sashes that our Sifu had ever awarded.

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Mark

Hmmm, I cant even think of the word to discribe my thoughts at reading about the Shaolin-Do from one of there websites (I believe its the main site). It seems to me that the person writing the information cant decide if this is a Chinese or Japanese school. Im all for teaching as much knowledge as possible but I mean. If this is a Chinese system as the illude (sp?) to then why would they call it a Dojo and then in () explain that thats the Japanese term and Kwoon is the Chinese if you where gonna use both for knowledge sack wouldnt most people go with the word that is from the country of there style? I would. Reading on....

From Wikipedia In 1968 he was said to have been awarded the title of "grandmaster" at the age of 25.[citation needed].....(wiki does state that this info is under review and not varified)

I have a hard time buying anyones claims of being a Grandmaster at the age of 25
in most styles it takes at least 2 to 5 years to even get to Black Belt (I havent taken much Chinese styles so Im not Familiar with there ranking system) and god knows how long after that. I new a guy that took 10 years to go from brown belt to 2nd degree black belt. Mastery of a system takes time cant be done over night expecially not grandmaster!

Yeah, rankings didn't come around until Kano with Judo. You basically had either students or teachers.

In fact, I think the term "Grandmaster" referred to your teacher's teacher...so it really just denoted lineage. I could be wrong though, but I remember reading/hearing that somewhere a long time ago.

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"You must eat bitter before you can taste sweet"- Iron & Silk
"I see no virtue where I smell no sweat"
"Arm yourself because no one else here will save you" - Chris Cornell

That is correct, or in another sense, Grandmaster can also be considered a Grandfather, as Sifu is Father, Sibok is Elder Uncle, etc

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I think Mei hua hit something very right with his use of the word cult. This type of mentality is used by instructers to control their students and get an almost divine type of reverence from them. This is dangerous . One -they foster a false sense of security, they think their (grandmaster) is the best so they think in turn they are unbeatable because of their superior style.2- they give all legitemate traditional styles a bad name and cause confusion with people on the outside of the martial arts world about what martial arts are really about.3- People in the "cult'like styles tend to worry more about fake lineages then what they can really do with their own skills. regardless of the hairy man legend , if one chance in a trillion its true it doesnt mean that when you have to defend yourself that its going to help u. That all lays on each indivuals shoulders on how much they know and train in a realistic manner.
again the whole purpose of the cult control is money and power. I just feel bad for the people who close themselves into a style because of this and arent open to keep learning things from everyone and the rest of the martial arts community.
mei hua mabye you can set up a rehab like the betty ford clinic to rehabiltate these lost people.
they need it
oh ya hello mark aka (jade dragon)
whats up?