Wanted: Info on Shaolin Do Karate

What does anyone know about the tale of John Dufresne knocking out 16-19 Shaolin-Do blackbelts, back in the late 70s, early 80s??

That is interesting, do tell.....

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Oh THAT'S how that works!

Lemme see if anyone else replies first, please. There are varying versions of this story (which I personally believe is a true event)

It's on kungfu online's forum buried in the archives by now, but it's already been told there with input from both sides best I remember.

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There is a video tape of THAT specific fight at Sin The's brothers tournament, shot from the crowd.

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“	Originally Posted By: Jade_Dragon_03 Its almost impossible to own a martial arts school and not have a rank system. People (students) want to be able to feel like they are accomplishing something so they won't join a school if they don't have a belt ranking system. A ranking system allows the school to be more maketable (not that this is right) to the potential student. Another reason students like the belt ranking system is so that when they get that black belt they can go tell everyone....hey I got a black belt. It's that 'mysticism" that goes along with having a black belt. Of course as you progress high in rank you realize that a black belt means nothing. It just means you have learned the basics. At black belt level is when you really start to learn.	”

if you have a commercial location, you gotta have programs like that to keep the lights on.

here in phoenix, commercial real estate goes for ~$20+/sq. ft. per month. your looking at anywhere from 2-5 G's just to pay the rent, and you haven't even touched power/phone/insurance etc.

phoenix is the third hottest major city in the world. not everybody can hang training outdoors in july. so having a nice a/c-ed commercial facility can be nice... but you gotta pay for it.

Yes I know of the story. I'm John Dufresne's 1st Black Sash. I know all about it. Sin The' has a copy of the tape as well as John Dufresne. Sin The' has "doctored" the video to make his students look good. The whole fight was organized on Sin The's part. Dufresne beat about 8 SD black belts.

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Mark

It was at a Sin The' karate tournament and they were having team fighting. One team was two men short of having a complete team. John and another person from Four Seasons were sitting in the bleachers and Sin The's brother asked if they wanted to be the other 2 on the team. They said ok. When they got down to the ring all of the Shaolin Do team fighters started to attack Dufresne and his partner. This other person was also a teacher at Four Seasons owned by Dr. John Ng. From the stories I've heard Dufresne and his partner cleaned house.

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Mark

ashe.....I understand that. But what does it being hot in pheonix have to do with having a belt rank system to be marketable? I'm missing the connection.

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Mark

“	Originally Posted By: Jade_Dragon_03 ashe.....I understand that. But what does it being hot in pheonix have to do with having a belt rank system to be marketable? I'm missing the connection.	”

Belts help Marketing. Marketing helps business. Business helps revenue. Revenue pays the bills. AC stays on. Less people suffer from heat stroke, and more people can push themselves without having the environment hinder their training.

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Thats true. But the main reason I think that belt systems are a must, at least here in the U.S. is because most people want to have some way of measuring their success. In this way it makes the school more marketable than a school that does not have a belt system. In China they don't really have a belt or sash ranking system. Know one really cares about a belt over there and I think that is because kung fu is a way of life to them in everything they do.

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Mark

Getting back to Shaolin Do Karate.....I saw something on Sin The's web site. He states that the Louiville news paper (Courier Journal) listed him as the worlds most dangerous man. I almost busted out laughing.

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Mark

“	Originally Posted By: Jade_Dragon_03 Getting back to Shaolin Do Karate.....I saw something on Sin The's web site. He states that the Louiville news paper (Courier Journal) listed him as the worlds most dangerous man. I almost busted out laughing.	”

Well it'd be funny if it weren't true. The paper wrote that back in the 60's.

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“	Originally Posted By: Jade_Dragon_03 In China they don't really have a belt or sash ranking system. Know one really cares about a belt over there and I think that is because kung fu is a way of life to them in everything they do.	”

Does anyone else find the "they" and "them" references a bit disturbing? As if all Chinese people think exactly alike somehow? The belt system did not originate in China and so is not as commonly used (although it is being adopted in one form or another by many schools), that is all. No need to look further into it for some secret of the Chinese mind or something.


Ok, that was off topic. Sorry.

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