Wanted: Info on Shaolin Do Karate

Does anyone know about Sin The' and the style he teaches? I've heard so many far fetched stories that it is crazy. He's supposed to possess this knowledge of this rare style of kung fu called meteor fist. He claims he can move at the speed of light or some b.s. but he has never taught it because it is to deadly and rare. Anyone heard this story or any other far fetched claims about him? I was just curious and needed a good laugh.

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Go to Kungfu Magazine's forum. There's plenty there.

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“	Originally Posted By: clfsean Go to Kungfu Magazine's forum. There's plenty there.	”

BWHAHAHAHA!

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Jade Dragon-

Shaolin-Do's flagship school is right there in Lexington, KY; where you're from. You should just pop in and speak with 'em.

-Wu

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Isn't their founder Cousin It?

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“	Originally Posted By: Mei Hua Isn't their founder Cousin It?	”

I believe that it is in fact Chewbacca. Yes, after reaching a fair amount of stardom filming the original Star Wars series, Chewie hit bottom fast, drinking himself into a stupor every night at the Mos Eisley cantina. His buddy Han moved on to other things, took to wearing a hat and insisting on being called "Indy". Our hero jumped the first flight outta the New Republic and landed in the rolling hills of Kentucky, where people beseeched him for his knowledge of the outer realms. Grasping at the opportunity, everyone's favorite Wookie turned misfortune into profit by starting his very own brand of martial arts, taking a little bit from every other martial art in the world, from which he learned about in his book, Martial Arts for Dummies, a present sent to him by his effeminate droid friend, C-P30. He has since abandoned his martial arts project for spots in the new Star Wars episodes and a steady role as Sasquatch in the Jack Link's Beef Jerky commercials.

-Wu

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Awe....interesting information. Thanks so much. I actually have been in thier school to check it out. I wasn't all to impressed with it. Theyt claim to teach Chinese
kung fu but wear the Japanese gi and teach some Japanese weapons. "Grandmaster Sin The' is from Indonesia and innherited the title Grandmaster from someone named Hairyman. Hmmm....legit or fraud? Has anyone heard the wild stories that go with Grandmaster The'???? Such as him kicking the outside wall of Lexington Catholic High School and making the whole building shake? Or being able to jump up and sit on the top of a basketball goal? I have heard these stories but they always start out with a friend of mine saw GM The' do this.....Know one actually says they saw him do these things. Can anyone tell me they saw these things for themselves. Or is he a fraud? I tend to question his whole style. I saw him teach the yang short form and it looks completely different from what I have seen other people.

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“	Originally Posted By: Jade_Dragon_03 Awe....interesting information. Thanks so much. I actually have been in thier school to check it out. I wasn't all to impressed with it. Theyt claim to teach Chinese kung fu but wear the Japanese gi and teach some Japanese weapons. "Grandmaster Sin The' is from Indonesia and innherited the title Grandmaster from someone named Hairyman. Hmmm....legit or fraud? Has anyone heard the wild stories that go with Grandmaster The'???? Such as him kicking the outside wall of Lexington Catholic High School and making the whole building shake? Or being able to jump up and sit on the top of a basketball goal? I have heard these stories but they always start out with a friend of mine saw GM The' do this.....Know one actually says they saw him do these things. Can anyone tell me they saw these things for themselves. Or is he a fraud? I tend to question his whole style. I saw him teach the yang short form and it looks completely different from what I have seen other people.	”

I think people, expecially those who are students of "kung fu", tend to have Shaolin-Do pegged right off the bat. We can all joke about the yeti-like individual who supposedly is the head of the lineage. In actuality, we are making fun of someone who was born with a genetic defect. We can all guffaw at the stories of Sin The kicking a horse into a lake, or climbing a pole whilst his arms and legs were tied, snake-fashion. Every kwoon, dojo, boxing gym, etc., has cool stories of the founder(s) of that particualr institution. We all would like to believe that "our teacher can beat up your teacher". (Granted, my boxing coach never walked into a room where 12 people were supposed to be waiting for him, stopped, picked up a knife, threw it at the rafters, and an assassin's body fell to the ground. He had detected the breathing pattern of a 13th individual! This is another SD story about Su Kong Tai Jin, the hairyman. Hell, even if it ain't true, it sure is entertaining!) The fact remains, however, that this is a martial art, like any other, like Wushu, like Hun Gar, like Karate, like TKD, like boxing. I have seen Shaolin-Do classes, had a few friends who practiced there. I can honestly say that I see no difference, by way of caliber of student, between their paying students, and the student body at any other school. Some are really good, some are average, some are really sad. Not my cup 'o tea, but that's me. Some of the sets I saw performed when I was there, I have seen at other schools, as well, at least a similar set. I have seen Yang short form taught with differences at 4 seperate schools, but I don't think it truly matters in the long run. Hell, I have had pancakes at several different restaurants, and even though they all claim to be pancakes, they are all different.

As for what they wear--a subject that seems to always come up when discussing SD--who cares? What should they wear? Shaolin monk garb? Chinese "kung fu" uniforms? Which, BTW, if you go to China, you see average everyday people wearing, so it's really just foreign street clothes. Or, should they wear t-shirts? If anything, I can see a Japanese-style gi as being more durable and better suited for any Chin-na or sparring, those frog buttons on your usual Chinese kung fu shirt rip so easily.

Other than taking a moment to cut a joke for the benefit of my peers, I really have nothing too bad to say about Shaolin-Do, is what I am driving at. Nor am I its shining knight, come to defend its honor. You make your own bed, boys and girls. What makes a martial art a good martial art? Hell, it's up to the individual. Person A goes into a boxing gym, falls in love with it, and trains there like crazy. He/she feels accepted, empowered, and happy. Person B goes into an Aikido Dojo, falls in love with it, and trains like crazy. He/she feels accepted, empowered, and happy. Whose martial art is superior? Simultaneously neither & both. If Shaolin-Do can continue to fill the doors with students, students who are happy with what they are doing, then more power to them. As for me, I'd rather pay attention to my own training, not care what others are doing or claiming to be doing, and also not care what people think about what I am doing.

-Wu

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Gotta go with WuSung here. Who's to say? There are a lot of wild stories and the lineage question is kinda hanging there. But --

I was sitting at a school banquet several years back and with a couple glasses of wine in me I was bagging on Shaolin Do because of what I'd read on the internet. A fellow student across from me, who regularly kicked a$$ in sparring class, just smiled slowly and said, "Well, I used to be a Shaolin Do student. I don't know if those claims are true or not. But I do know that most of the people I trained with were better fighters than me."

So, I don't bag on Shaolin Do. Someday I might spar with them to see if my classmate's claims were correct. But that's it.

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"Whatever the case, it proves that countless disasters can be prevented by simply assuming everyone you're working with is a moron." ~ Adam Brown, 5 Tiny Mistakes...

Well guys, I went to observe a class at GM Sin The' school here in Lexington. I have to be honest, I was not impressed. Master Elder teaches the class, whatever Master Elder is (it's not a shaolin term or one they used at the temple but ok). Sammiegirl, your friend might have been a good or even great fighter but I seriously doubt if he got his skill from the Sin The' system of Shoalin Do. The sparring I saw was a joke. Up to brown belt they are told not to touch or make contact with the person. No contact what so ever, they are told to stop anout 2 inches before contact. Why sparr then? This was an itermediate class that I attended. I only went out of curiosity. Grandmaster Sin might be good I don't know because I've not seen him there due to the fact he is in Hollywood trying to break into the movie busness but his intermediate students are bad and thats being nice.

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And going by the food analogy, yes there's many different flavors of pancake... but if I order a pancake, I don't want to be served a cheeseburger which is what Shaolin-Do will do :P I also don't often see real kungfu teachers now days stealing another school's forms and renaming them as their own (Cheng Man Ching tai chi suddenly becomes Shaolin Yang style or an old pre Cheng Fu Yang style). I also don't feel that tall tales from a 100 year game of telephone in other styles give a free pass to modern day teachers to completely fabricate their backgrounds and their style.

The Yang style tai chi form that Shaolin Do teaches looked extremely different than what I have seen as Yang Style Tai Chi. What is their form that they teach?

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On the plus side, Shao-Lin Do is probably one of the best marketed "Kung Fu" chains out there. I mean we're talking TKD-style business strategies to bring in some serious revenue. And the cornerstone of this is constantly making the students start over so they keep paying and paying and paying. When a student learns all the information on one level, they are told that all that training was worthless and now they can proceed to the next series of training. Its a great money making strategy.


However, as much as I personally dislike Shao-Lin Do...the one thing I can't really complain about is the Uniform. In fact I would just assume to have a Uniform of shorts and a T-shirt.

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What do you mean by makling the student start over? And that all that training was worthless?

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“	Originally Posted By: Jade_Dragon_03 The Yang style tai chi form that Shaolin Do teaches looked extremely different than what I have seen as Yang Style Tai Chi. What is their form that they teach?	”

Cheng Man Ching for "Yang 64"
Xin Jia Frame Yi Lu Routine for "Chen 83"
PRC 24 for "Temple"

unk for Straight Sword & Broadsword/Broadsword 2 Man set

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