Snake Style

Some of the training exercises for snake style includes doing push ups on the back of your wrists. Finger tip push ups on all your finger tips and as you progress lift a finger at a time until you are able to do 2 finger push ups. Another exercise for snake style is to do finger jabs on a sand bag. And yet another exercise for snake is to do vibrating palm strikes on a sand bag.

I would highly recommend finding a reputable teacher though. Knowing the human anatomy is important because you learn the vital areas to strike. If you strike the wrong nerve or pressure point you can cause some serious damage.

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“	Originally Posted By: Jade_Dragon_03 If you strike the wrong nerve or pressure point you can cause some serious damage.	”

I wish people would stop spreading this BS.

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Here we go again....enlighten me Mei Hua. Tell me all about snake style kung fu. I got to hear this. From what I've seen and learned its almost all spear hand strikes and finger strikes (mostly open hand strikes) with a few closed fist strikes. I'd like to know what is BS that I said Mei Hua. Are you saying that you can not cause damage with nerve strikes? Have you had ANY snake style training? I've had a little bit and learned two snake forms. The forms I learned were almost entirely open hand strikes with very few closed hand strikes. I have judged at national tournaments for NASKA (black belt division) and have seen some people perform snake style forms and most of them have had almost all open hand strikes in them. Yes there are closed handed strikes in snake style but not much. If you say that I am wrong them prove it to me.

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There are several Chinese martial arts known as Snake Boxing or Snake Style (Chinese: 蛇拳; Pinyin: shéquán; literally "snake fist") which imitate the movements of snakes. Proponents claim that adopting the fluidity of snakes allows them to entwine with their opponents in defense and strike them from angles they wouldn't expect in offense. Snake style is said to especially lend itself to applications with the Chinese straight sword. The snake is also one of the animals imitated in Baguazhang and Xingyiquan. The sinuous, fluid motion of the snake lends itself to the practical theory that underlies the "soft" martial arts.
Different snake styles imitate different movements of snakes. Some, for example, imitate the cobra, while others imitate the python, while some schools imitate both for different applications. There are two unrelated, Northern and Southern snake styles.



snake is one of the archetypal Five Animals of Chinese martial arts; the other four being Crane, Tiger, Leopard, and Dragon. These five animals originally represented the five classical Chinese elements before developing into their own styles. Snake is usually Earth, Tiger is Fire, Crane is Metal, Dragon is Water, and Leopard is Wood. Since they were derived from the Five Elements, they are kept in this pattern. At this point many styles delve into more advanced animal training or actual element training. The Taoist temples of the Wudang Mountains were known to have produced many snake stylists.
Snake style is based on whipping power which travels up the spine to the fingers. The ability to sinuously move, essentially by compressing one's stomach/abdominal muscles, is very important. Footing is quite grounded. The stancework is fluid in order to maximize the whipping potential of any movement. This necessitates building a strong spine to contain the power and strong fingers to convey the strike. Since breath is important to any movement of the spine and ribs, snake style is considered one of the main styles which eventually led to internal training. Snake style is also known as an approach to weapons training, the Chinese straight sword and spear in particular. There are even specialty varieties of sword blades and spear points that curve back and forth down the length of the blade in imitation of the snake's body known as snake sword and snake spear.
Snake Style generally aims for weak points of the human body, such as eyes, groin and joints.


There is also an obscure Southern Snake Style (Chinese: 蛇形刁手) whose grand master was Leung Tin Chu who was born in the late 1800's and became well known as he ranked 4th in one of Nanking's Martial Art examination in late 1920. His style was an amalgamation of Southern Shaolin style and Choy Gar style learned from a Choy family member. He had two main disciples, his nephew Master Leung Gar Fong of Honk Kong and the late Master Wong Tin Yuen who taught this style at his studio on Sacramento Street in San Francisco for forty years since late 1930. The pugilistic style is best described as a mid-distance fighting style using, by coincidence, some Wing Chun-like techniques in Hung Gar-like forms. That attests to the Southern Shaolin origin of this style and its close relationship to other styles originating from Southern Shaolin. Force and techniques are softer than traditional southern styles. Excluding straight punches and bong shou as used in Wing Chun, the use of southern style techniques of butterfly-buddha palms, the hook, upper cut, and gui quen (back fist) are central techniques to this style. Biu tze (thrusting fingers) techniques resembling snake attacks are the secrets, and hence, the name of this style. There are multiple kicking techniques, as varied as typical northern styles with high kicks, but also typical are below-the-knee kicks seen in southern styles. There are six fist sets, two stick sets, single sword, short double swords, and other traditional weapons.

It appears to me that we are both right. The style that you must be talking about is what I've highlighted in red. I have never seen this style. It says that it is a rare style. I got this info off Wikapedia. The style I have seen and have a little experience in is northern style snake. So it appears that we are both right.

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Wow, you aren't a Snake stylist and seek to tell me about the art?

You have no official training in it, other than some hogwash hand me down and seek to tell people about the style, do you see the hypocrisy there?
Do you see that you are not qualified to instruct or tell people about Snake style?
Do you see why CMA's get the reputation they do with LARPers like you as the banner boys?

That was a nice copy and past job from wikipedia, the site no one checks for authenticity of information, I can put on there I am a 40ft tall man with the powers of god and it will go on and stay there and people will read it and then believe it because it was on WIKIPEDIA!!!!!


What you seem to be missing is that finger strikes are only a small part of She Chuan, there are allot more punching strikes used in a variety of ways then you even listed, you completely left out the grappling, chin na and takedowns of Python, the closed hand techniques that are not punches and yes, you have elbows, knees, kicks to the base, sweeps, throws, etc.

What was BS was you, someone who is not an instructor in Snake, telling about the wonders of Dim Mak and Nerve Point striking. Vital Point striking is not Dim Mak or Nerve Point striking, it is striking to vital points of the body that are susceptible to injury; throat, solar plexus, groin, carotid sinuses, jugular artery, temples, eyes, dan tien(and this is not because of the "dim mak" this is because when struck in a way it compresses the internal organs which causes shock to the body and weakens it, I know cause I have used this and seen what it does from first hand experience and from medical reports)
But the uber deadliness of the so called dim mak and nerve points is something that all the people who have no real knowledge of Snake proclaim on all the MA forums and give the style a hokey aura, when actual dim mak usage is very limited if used at all in real Snake styles. Look at a skilled practitioner, someone who knows the style and is legitimate, unlike the people who say they only learned a little bit from their instructor and are thus are qualified to tell others about how the style is done, and see how they fight, how they use their techniques, they do not do pressure/nerve point striking that's for sure, even the forms of Snake have strikes to the areas I described, but you don't see the "dim mak" BS that idiots everywhere say is so deadly and makes the style the bestest.

I don't feel like talking anymore to someone who acts like a child at times and makes claims of knowledge he has no right to make, as he is not qualified to instruct about them.

Use the search function, like I said on page 1 and look up Snake Style, Snake Fist and Shaolin Snake style and you can read everything I've already said about this.

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“	Originally Posted By: Jade_Dragon_03 Have you had ANY snake style training? I've had a little bit and learned two snake forms.	”

Yes, I have lineage and qualifications to teach Emei, Wudan and Shaolin Snake in the Viper/Cobra/Python styles.

I have 13 forms, 3 qi gong sets, a variety of conditioning exercises, a multitude of techniques and fighting applications.

I actually know Snake, I don't pretend to know it.

With just your little bit, you are not qualified to teach it nor do you even know it.

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To the OP: As alternatives to Snake style you might also look for Fut Gar and Pigua. They might be a flavor you enjoy.

Personally, I've done a bit of Snake Kung Fu as part of my 5-Animal training. Of all the animals, I consider it to be the most sophisticated and applicable animal out there. And no, it doesn't look like the stuff from Jackie Chan movies.

My distast for it comes from the Fingertip strikes. One of my friends have had lengthy discussions on this, and we found that altering the strikes to close hands for hard targets and phoenix eye strikes for soft tissues works out nicely. Fingertips in general are not really well advised in my opinion. However, the Snake I know has plenty of palms and grazing strikes.

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“	Originally Posted By: WraithAlcon My distast for it comes from the Fingertip strikes. One of my friends have had lengthy discussions on this, and we found that altering the strikes to close hands for hard targets and phoenix eye strikes for soft tissues works out nicely. Fingertips in general are not really well advised in my opinion. However, the Snake I know has plenty of palms and grazing strikes.	”

Indeed and other than throat strikes, armpit strikes or open hand chops to the groin, open fingers are not used to the body, it's closed hand in some variation, palm strikes, grappling, takedowns, etc

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First off your an a**. Second of all I never said one word about teaching Dim Mak. I said that snake stylist have a great deal of knowledge of the human anatomy and pressure point/nerves. This is a fact. Third off I do have some snake style training. I am by no means a master in snake style BUT I have trained in it so I have the right to say and tell what I know about what I have done thus far in that style. One of my teachers IS certified to teach it and it is his specialty. I have seen the training and he has told me of the training methods used in snake style.
Yes, the post that I put down WAS a cut and paste job. I even stated in my post (if you can read) that I got it from Wikapedia. I was even trying to be nice to your hateful A** and humor you and say we were both right BUT your just a pompous A** Hole who thinks he knows it all. Why don't you get your facts straight! Your the one who is misinformed on this topic homie. The particular snake style that my teacher learned was the Golden Snake system. I don't pretend to know this system. Like I said "if you can read" you would have seen that I stated that I learned a couple snake forms and some training exercises. I never said that I was an expert.

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Again, there you go, your master knows, he IS certified.

Not you.

I can take a class in BJJ for a week, learn a bunch of techniques, but that doesn't mean I'm actually qualified to instruct or tell others how it should be done.

Wow, the amount of LARPers that have joined recently are amazing, captained by Jade Dragon 03

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“	Originally Posted By: Mei Hua Indeed and other than throat strikes, armpit strikes or open hand chops to the groin, open fingers are not used to the body, it's closed hand in some variation, palm strikes, grappling, takedowns, etc	”

I can understand the fingertips to throat or armpits, but I personally just don't like it. The chops are a little bit different too, specifically that its not so much any part of the hand that is striking (except for a bonus flick to a D34DLY scrotum point) is the radial portion of the bone in the arm.

Open hand, as I see it, it mainly for slaps, traps, and grabs.

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“	Originally Posted By: Mei Hua Again, there you go, your master knows, he IS certified.	”

Certified...or Certifiable?

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“	Originally Posted By: WraithAlcon I can understand the fingertips to throat or armpits, but I personally just don't like it. The chops are a little bit different too, specifically that its not so much any part of the hand that is striking (except for a bonus flick to a D34DLY scrotum point) is the radial portion of the bone in the arm. Open hand, as I see it, it mainly for slaps, traps, and grabs.	”

I tend to agree, as much as one can condition the finger for the use of their d34dly sn4k3 d1m m4k, it still isn't a really viable choice of weapon, there are many other things that do the same and will work when used

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I did not take Brazilian Jiu Jitsu for 1 week if your referring to me. I studied for 1 yr. (granted thats a short time) but I also wrestled for 4 years so my grappling skills are good, no i take that back. My grappling skills are great. Wrath partially agrees with me for a change and admits there are a lot of open hand strikes in this style even though he does not like them and prefers to use strikes like a pheonix eye or something else.

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What the F*** is a larper? I think you are a FARTER.

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