tiger claw applications

they're just books. what you do with the stuff inside the books is your business.

I use techniques from my forms, but I don't fight in form.Forms are exercises to help you remember techniques. Not the order you fight in. Bro, I'm surprised they haven't banned him already.

“	Originally Posted By: Ben Grimm I use techniques from my forms, but I don't fight in form.Forms are exercises to help you remember techniques. Not the order you fight in. Bro, I'm surprised they haven't banned him already.	”

Being considered unrealistic in what you post, or even telling dubious stories is not breaking the DL policy. He hasn't broken any rules, so there is no basis for banning.

(Note to mods-feel free to correct me if I am wrong in my post above.)

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“	Originally Posted By: KungFuMan Ben Grimm, What is the problem, i merely was surprised that you said you don't know anyone who sets up a fight in acat stance. You can start a fight from any stance.	”

I would never be in a fight in a low horse stance. My school uses low horse stances for leg strength training, but also states you should not fight from this position.

What advantage would you see in being in a low horse stance for a fight?

I can see being in a cat stance before a fight starts though. You look like you are not in a fighting stance, but have a leg ready for a quick kick if one starts. If you have your hands up at the same time in a "hey guy, I won't want any trouble" kind of defensive position, then you are ready to block without looking like you are in a MA stance at all.

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I'll have to read the forum rules again. As I said though, I know nothing about cat stance. Never learned it, never used it. Only seen it.

“	Originally Posted By: Ben Grimm I'll have to read the forum rules again. As I said though, I know nothing about cat stance. Never learned it, never used it. Only seen it.	”

How interesting. I guess I thought that some form of cat stance was in most traditions. They don't have that in WC huh?

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Not from what I've learned. Maybe in some other forms of WC, but not from what my Sifu has taught me.

Wow, that's insane. Cat stance is my primary fighting stance. Its the first thing we go into after our self-defense techniques. If I were to enter a fight I'd be in a cat stance as well.

I'm not saying it can't be used. I'm just saying I've never used it, or seen it used except in movies. But if it works use it, if it doesn't then toss it.

I prefer a basic 60/40 stance, weight on front let, very aggressive from an attacking perspective. Initiate by establishing distance/distance control using the jab/ping chop.

People typically don't keep their weight on their rear legs unless defending or trying to work a rear power-kick of some sort, IMHO.

Ben Grimm:

Cat stance (horrible name, it actually means hanging horse) is a very good "stance" although . . . . it is a transitional stance to be exact.

For example if I start to initiate a strike/combo by throwing jabs or continuous stabbing fists, and I want to add in a "explosive" stabbing fist or another strike I will typically slide back into a modified cat stance (not pretty, not obvious, very very quick transitional state), twist the hips and SLIGHTLY chamber the arm I'm going to strike with.

This may sound complicated but it really isn't. You put some weight on the rear leg, front leg is on the ball of the foot, twist the waist to "load" the punch and then EXPLODE out, DRIVE forward using your front foot and you can use anything from a short to a full extension with your strike.

Basics concepts of "loading" and "unloading" an explosive, driving sort of attack.

This is a popular thing to do in CLF. You can see the same technique used in almost every form as well.

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Thanks CLF Devil, I'll try it when I spar my friend who does CLF.

Hate to point out the bleeding obvious here but all stances are transitional. If you don’t move you can’t fight. Static stance training is good for building strength and training muscle memory. But If you don’t shift your weight between your feet or actually pick your feet up and take a step you can’t move. So for example with cat stance, I recommend 70/30 - 60/40 as a default but there are times when I am have 100 on the back leg (e.g. if I drop my weight onto an arm bar) at other times I briefly have 100 % on the front foot if I step my back foot forward.

I was taught 10/90 ratio. 10% on front foot and 90% on back foot. My close in usually consists of just cross-over stepping then perhaps going into a horse and perform a rolling back fist. I'm also a fan of moving in on people and opening with side snapping kicks, but seeing as I just recently obtained intermediate level I still have a LOT to learn.

Clayton,

hello,

You asked me,

"What advantage would you see in being in a low horse stance for a fight?"

A side low horse stance allows you to be lower to th ecentre of gravity and a smaller targer Also you should be able to move from a horse stance to a unicorn stance backwards and foreward at any given moment. You can also shift back into a cat stance then a unicorn stance if the opponent rushes in. From a side horse you can also shift back into a side bow and arrow stance, which will then allow for angular attacks and defense.

Tom Baley,

Hello,

In Kung Fu we use the cat stance or hanging horse, for many things. It is not just a transitional stance. heres what i mean.If I am starting facing my opponent in a side horse with a left bridge hand out, as soon as the opponent attacks, I can shift back into a left cat stance or (hanging horse stance). Then i can block or kick easily from that stance as the opponent attacks. This stance also allows for side stepping and shifting back to a unicorn stance. It I a very good stance for many things. In kung Fu we have 90 % on the back leg and 10% on the front leg.

Many find it hard to fight with stances because they are difficult and take time to master. But there is no short cut in kung Fu.