tiger claw applications

To all, I have not told dubious stories. these stories I tell you of combat situations etc are true.

I prefer 50/50, that way I can move anywhere, anytime

“	Clayton, hello, You asked me, "What advantage would you see in being in a low horse stance for a fight?	”

No, that was me (aaradia) that asked that, but seeing as you keep getting caught up in the "man"; thing, perhaps you ignored this question as it came from a woman. Really, this muey macho Man thing is annoying. Others here seem to be able to talk about kung fu without this "man" this or "a kung fu man" that.

But at least you finally answered one of my two questions.

So, my question to my other KF brethren, do you all spar, or have fought in a LOW horse stance? Or do you see LOW horse stances as being for leg training primarily?

Low horse stances strike me as not being good for quick mobility in a real fight. How do you see it?

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Strength training and a set of parameters if you will.
You would not go lower than that but you would certainly go higher in the course of a fight. Being able to comfortably drop my center also helps my wrestling, a point "the man" may have missed...

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“	Originally Posted By: KungFuMan In Kung Fu we use the cat stance or hanging horse, for many things. It is not just a transitional stance.	”

I think I have been unclear in my previous post. I said that all stances are transitional as a way of emphasising the fact that they are not set in stone. I didn’t mean that stances had no application other than movement.

“	In kung Fu we have 90 % on the back leg and 10% on the front leg.	”

Are you saying this as a general rule. E.g. when practicing forms always have 90/10 but in reality the weight varies with application or are you saying. That the weight must always be 90 % 10% whenever a cat stance is performed regardless of application ?

I must ask this again, since I did not get a serious answer before. What in the heck is a "unicorn" stance? What traditions use a "unicorn" stance? Does it equate to a more commonly used term for a stance I may be familiar with?

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Scissors or twisted stance is pretty much the same, just how you get there.

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I'm all for mobility really, so I don't understand why going low would be practical, except for leg strengthening.

“	Originally Posted By: aaradia I would never be in a fight in a low horse stance. My school uses low horse stances for leg strength training, but also states you should not fight from this position. ... What advantage would you see in being in a low horse stance for a fight?	”

The biggest disadvantage of low stances is difficulty in movement.

The advantage of low stances is that you can get under you opponents centre of balance to throw or upset them. You can also drop your weight onto your opponent to add power to either/and/ or a strike, a lock, a takedown.

Stances are like any tool you use the apropriate tool at the apropirate time.

aaraida,

Hello sorry for the man thing,

And yes I do spar in low stances and high. It depends on the situation. I try as much as I can to fight in form and stances. Top fight in stances however take a while to develope strength and stability in them. But once you have this you would not want to go back to sloppy high stances and kick boxing. I ony speak personnally of what I found works here. I am not slamming kick boxers. I only refer to the stances and how they were intended in fighting.

We train with two man sparring forms also. these are like a prearranged fighting form. They help to develope this kind of fighting, though so many kung fu schools have not used this method or they do not have two man sparring forms. I speak of forms like Bung Bo two man sparring form for mantis, or thte two man sperring forms of Hung gar like the tiger crane sparring for etc .

“	but once you have this you would not want to go back to sloppy high stances and kick boxing.	”

lmfao!!!

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Kung fu man

could you please clarify how you have your weight in cat stance. (see my post above)

Thanks

Tom, (I know you were asking KFM, but I'm gonna step in) I was taught that Cat should almost always have 90% on the back leg the only time that would change is when planning movements, which of course you'd even the weight out.

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I've used low stances for overpowering opponents whenever I get them locked. Dropping into a lunge or horse feels like you have a lot more control. I'm usually pretty defensive so I'll stay in Cat, and wait for a punch. My goal is usually to get a lock on the wrist and control the fight from there, tactics will change whenever I have more experience, however.

KungFu Man, for the record, Eagle Claw has a decent number of partner forms;

Doi Ming Jeung (Fighting Cotton Palm)
Yat Ling Bat (108 Partner Form)
Hop Gin Kuen (Harmony War Fist)
108 Sau Sao (Locking Hands)
etc etc, there's about 6 or 7 more than I can't remember.

“	Originally Posted By: KungFuMan aaraida, We train with two man sparring forms also. these are like a prearranged fighting form. They help to develope this kind of fighting, though so many kung fu schools have not used this method or they do not have two man sparring forms. I speak of forms like Bung Bo two man sparring form for mantis, or thte two man sperring forms of Hung gar like the tiger crane sparring for etc .	”

CLF has lots of two person sets. Both hand and weapon forms. Funny you didn't mention CLF above when you mentioned your other training in this, since you teach CLF.

Thanks for dropping the constant "man" thing.

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KFM, you are now saying boxers have sloppy stances now. OK, So you think great fighters like Ali, Foreman, Tyson (in his prime), and so on were sloppy fighters. I grew up with boxers. So I know a little about boxing, and I can tell you that a trained boxer would knock you out before you could even blink an eye. What ever you're on cut the dose and get back to reality.