tiger claw applications

Tom Baley,

The cat stance is 90 10 but there is a front cat side cat and cross cat stance. Also there are other stances similar to the cat stnce with different weight.

Benn Grimm,

You said,

"So I know a little about boxing, and I can tell you that a trained boxer would knock you out before you could even blink an eye. What ever you're on cut the dose and get back to reality"

I don't want to boast here, but I have had these trained boxers attack me and they don't seem to be able to get past my guard position and they often get kicked in the lower gate, almost immediately. I have seen this a few times, they rush in and expose thier groin. There are only a few moves in boxing and in kung fu there are thousands and thousands. I know that a good boxer can still use his techniques in combat. But what I am saying is that the so called invincible boxer over kung fu styles does not exist as far as i have seen from my own personal experience. And no, I am by no means saying I am dsome great fighter and no one can beat me etc.

There may be some boxers who can moves much faster than some kung fu men etc. The style is only as good as the man in it. But your assumption has not been true in my case. I speak from personal experience, you can aatck my experience if you want but I know what I know . I also work out often with the boxers in the gym in the boxing section of the gym, and I know some of them and I have demonstrated techniques to them. When I tell them to come in at me to demonsrate ( by the way I don't always set them up and say ok punch me exactly like this or that, I let them move as they want freestyle), they use their boxing skill and I find that it is not too dificult to defend against, even with a flurry of fast crosses and jabs. Now I know that if they were professional fighters it may be a bit different, but some of them do have good skills. Again, it depends on the man in the style.

I have found that against a boxer the snake fist is perfect for such a defense. And the mantis as well.

Kung fu man.

You mention that you teach. Do you have a club website? Where is your club? What styles do you teach? You mentioned Hung Kuen earlier, which of the Hung Kuen forms do you teach ?

I'll box you. I won't use Wing Chun. I guarantee, I'll take you out in less than 30 seconds.

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Traditional stances were never intended to be used for actual fighting. They are for attributal training. A good, solid fighting stance is 50/50. This allows one to generate power with punches and kicks, shoot and sprawl and to move angularly.

I have never understood why people think fighting in traditional stances was intended.

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Cam
"Raise up your mind....."

KungFuMan, you are a delusional idiot.

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Cam
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Because some idiots like KFM want to look pretty before they get their teeth knocked out. Then they can say, well at least I had more techniques than you, you only had more power, speed, etc. I think it's a way to reassure themselves that their style is still good, but they were just "unlucky." For example, we all know that I'm a WC guy, but in a fight(if I get a chance to shape up before it's all on), I prefer to shape up like a boxer and stand with even weight distrubution. I guess it's because mobility and good fighting principles are better than looking pretty. (I stole that from you Cam, but it's so damn right)

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More techniques = cluttered toolbox.
Simplicity and economy are the secrets to effective applicable skills..... not a cluttered toolbox.

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Cam
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Exactly, I'm not dissing TCMA stylists because I am one. But some stylists learn too many forms and end up in what Bruce Lee called "a classical mess." Every technique should have it's applications, but redundant techniques should be eliminated or modified. That's my opinion anyway.

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“	but redundant techniques should be eliminated	”

So should useless techniques and especially techniques that work only in an isolated vacuum that once attampted outside that vacuum are actually counter-productive.... i.e attempting to gouge the eyes when somene is mounted on top of you.

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“	Originally Posted By: Lugaldamhara Traditional stances were never intended to be used for actual fighting. They are for attributal training. A good, solid fighting stance is 50/50. This allows one to generate power with punches and kicks, shoot and sprawl and to move angularly. I have never understood why people think fighting in traditional stances was intended.	”

It is true that stances in a traditional martial art are a means to an ends, training mechanics, balance, movement, yoga etc, and not an end in themselves. The idea that anyone would adopt any stance in a fight without a specific movement or intention in mind, be it tiger, cat or your 50/50 stance is nonsense.

However it is also nonsense to abandon the use of stances in a fight simply because “they are only a training tool”. If I have control of my opponents centre and wish to take them down or throw them I will use a stance appropriate to the situation. If I am striking an opponent I will use a stance that gives me good mechanics and good balance.

Blindly abandoning stances out of a dogmatic disbelief is just as bad as blindly applying stances due to dogmatic belief. Stances are a tool and like any tool they are beneficial when used appropriately and dangerous if abused.

“	If I have control of my opponents centre and wish to take them down or throw them I will use a stance appropriate to the situation.	”

If you are going to take someone down it isn't going to be done using a stance. It will involve constant motion.

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Cam
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It will involve constant motion

I would change that to constant control in constant motion

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Constant control.... nice.... evil grin....

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“	Originally Posted By: Lugaldamhara If you are going to take someone down it isn't going to be done using a stance. It will involve constant motion.	”

I think that we have a different understanding of what stances mean in TCM if you think that stances are fixed, dead, set in stone, static positions, what you say is true, because takedowns require fluid movement. But with respect that is not what stances are about in TCM.

If for example I step to the outside in tiger stance. Pick up my opponents arm and pivot into horse stance to apply an arm bar and take control of his centre then sink back in a low cat stance to drop my weight onto this arm and extend his centre over his base and take him to the floor. I have not performed three separate stances I have performed one continuous movement from start to finish. Its just that because I train using stances I have recognisable way points in the movement that allows me to better understand what I am doing.