tiger claw applications

Trolls tend to have that attitude

How do you guys train and condition the claw?
Finger pushups?
Jars?
Bags?
Other?

Discuss.......

I do no finger pushups.

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We have these jars. And we swing them around, slowly. Not a fun exercise. I should do more of it. Then there's the grippies. Hate grippies. I'd be doing them in my car if I weren't busy doing IP on the drive to work. As for finger pushups, I can only do the stupid fake ones, on the pads of my fingers, not on the very tips. Terrible performance.

Hello all,

Yes, tiger techniques have worked for me and they still do.

Here is a good tiger technique for a beginning fight situation. Start in a left cat stance and have your guard in a tiger guard, like "The hungry Tiger catches the ram", or if you don't know the hand position of that move, put your left and up at your face level about one hand and a half away from your face. Then have your other hand (right hand) at your mid sectionthe fingers facing to the left. You whole body is shifted at a 45 degree angle. Then when the ooponent is set up in his guard with his left hand foreward. Leap in quickly to the left as if to go into a left front bow stance and grab the opponents arm at the wrist with your left tiger claw. At the same time step in to your left bow stance and strike at the same time with your right hand to his head. It is important to tugg the opponent to the left with the your left tiger claw grab. Also make sure that when you grab you turn your upper body slightly to the left and keep your left arm more tight to your body, this will give you strength and allow you to off balance your opponent. This is a very good fighting technique in combat and hard to escape from. You must leap in quickly, this is the hard part of the technique. Push off from your back cat stance ( right leg) and leap to the left as you grab his arm and pull his arm to the left.

When you attack your opponents left arm with your left tiger claw grab do not telegraph your movements. The opponents eye sees your move then the signal goes to his brain and back again to his hand saying, "move". But by that time it is too slow. You can also strike at his side rib with your right hand. Then follow up with your right leg either kicking him forewards or breaking his left leg stance, and when he bends down on one knee (his left you are still holding his left arm with your left tiger claw, then you can come from behind with your right tiger claw and grab his hair, (if he has any) and pull back with your right hand and claw his throat with the left claw draging him down to the right side. Then, Keep holding his hair and throat and twist him around so his stomach is facing the floor and lock the kneck pressing your knee on his back and pulling up. this is a very deadly technique and dangerous, so be careful.

Kung Fu Man

Hello all, let me know if this makes sense to you. I can fix it if you want

LOL let's start the fight in a low cat stance.

GG.

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I've never known anybody who would position themselves like that for a real fight. Well maybe in the movies, but seriously....come on. I'll counter your tiger claw in cat stance with a smack around the head with a baseball bat. Or better yet, I'll use the Crane kick I learned from Mr. Miyagi. LOL!

Ben Grimm,

have you ever studied real martial arts? I mean, I am amazed that you cannot start a fight in a cat stance. This is so basic and the cat stance and cat leaping or monkey leping from a cat stance is very effective.

In a cat stance I have my weight on the back leg which allows me to spring foreward or to the side quickly I can shift my front leg back if the opponent attacks into a open x stance, or unicorn stance, then shift further if he attacks. I have fought in real sparring situations and fights from the initial cat stance. I am amazed if a martial artist cannot fight in this stance and start a fight from it. I also start my fight often with a unicorn stance or a horse or broken horse stance. I have even started fight situations from a side bow stance with my groin exposed to the opponet. I know that they are going to try and kick me there and I have ways that I avoid being hurt from that position. You can start a fight situation from most stances.

Really I marvel at you and CLF devil, who seem not to be able to start a fight from a cat stance.

Not from a low cat stance.

You have to adapt it.

But of course you have no idea how to actually fight so I won't get into it.

Static stances are worthless.

You are a tool.

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Apparently anti-grappling created the world in seven days - Josh Rose

I've never used a cat stance. Oh, that's right Wing Chun doesn't use them... OMG, that's why? I must be missing a large part of my martial arts education because I "can't fight in a cat stance." So that must mean according to you, that my teacher Wan Kam Leung can't fight, and his teacher Wong Sheung Leung and his teacher Yip Man, and Leung Jan. Oh, you've really made my day now. CLF, I bet he probably things he could drop us both at the same time using his Chi. Maybe Dragonball style. I bet he tries his "Kamehameha" in front of imaginary opponents.

I think the mods should just ban him.

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Apparently anti-grappling created the world in seven days - Josh Rose

CLF Devil,

What before I actually get to post what I am talking about in video and pictures. Then you would not have the opportunity to change your thinking.

Ben Grimm,

What is the problem, i merely was surprised that you said you don't know anyone who sets up a fight in acat stance. You can start a fight from any stance.

I think the problem here is that you said,

"I've never known anybody who would position themselves like that for a real fight..."

Well, just becaus you don't know of this does not make it true. I do know that you can do so, and I often do. I teach and believe that kung fu men should actually use their kung fu, and fight in form with stances. This kind of fighting, (which reflects the truest intent of the form) is often rejected for a more kick boxing style. How many tournaments and fights have I seen where men just throw away their art and reject the form. Form is like an alphabet, but eventually you can make words and stories etc.

The closest thing I can share to help you understand what form fighting is, is from the Movies were good coreography is done using real kung fu. I know that this is not real fighting and that it is fantasy land and flying around and wires etc etc etc. But what I am trying to convey is thast as they move from stance to stance in a almost mathematical way and it is very structural etc. This is how real kung f can move somewhat. I admit that few seem to fight in form. Perhaps they have given up on it or have not mastered thier form. i don't know why but it should not be because it does not work.

If any here think that form is no good for actual figing, (again it depends on the form or style) they are wrong in my opinion. I have seen it work and i know it does. I would ask them also, why bother to learn form or kung fu at all if you think it does not work as the inventor set up. Remeber many forms are from instructors that developed them for actual fighting. they could fight with these stances and moves. That is why they put the form together to catagorize their moves and to develope body memory etc.

Ok, later my potential friend

“	Originally Posted By: KungFuMan I would ask them also, why bother to learn form or kung fu at all if you think it does not work as the inventor set up. Remeber many forms are from instructors that developed them for actual fighting. they could fight with these stances and moves. That is why they put the form together to catagorize their moves and to develope body memory etc. Ok, later my potential friend	”

No, forms are just exercises.

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