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June 30th, 2008, 04:16 AM
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Rep Power: 164 | | | If there was a Kangaroo style TCMA I would be worried.... other than that it really isn't geographically implausible....
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June 30th, 2008, 05:05 AM
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June 30th, 2008, 05:22 AM
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but IMO the guy was sadly misguided by some sort of africa uber alles ting
there are african MA's but to claim TCMA is african is just stoopid
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June 30th, 2008, 05:40 AM
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Rep Power: 164 | | | Well, the common theory is that civilization sprang from Africa so mythological roots and even influence in other areas is not a stretch... For all we know all TCMA could have their origins firmly planted in early African civilization and simply migrated and assimilated into Asian culture as it developed....
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June 30th, 2008, 05:47 AM
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but at what point do things become seperate cultural entities in themselves (if ever)
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June 30th, 2008, 06:05 AM
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Rep Power: 164 | | | Not saying it isn't/wasn't a separate cultural entity, as it definitely is... just saying that it's not implausible that the animal references could have their roots in Africa.
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June 30th, 2008, 06:10 AM
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June 30th, 2008, 09:21 AM
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Rep Power: 40 | | | “ | If there was a Kangaroo style TCMA I would be worried.... | ” | |
Don't you know Kangaroos are excellent Boxers ? 
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June 30th, 2008, 02:21 PM
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Rep Power: 100 | | | Thank god you didn't see the next pics of the sequence, the roo then does a headbutt, single leg, mounts him and GnPs the crap out of him ...
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June 30th, 2008, 02:39 PM
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July 1st, 2008, 07:05 AM
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Rep Power: 24 | | | The Chinese knew very little about Africa and cared even less. Turning to the animal styles as Nik points out, other than some superficial physical things (i.e. tiger "claws", eagle "beaks", crane "wings") the bulk of animal forms sought to catch some more mental or philosophical aspect of animal symbols. Always remember too, the Chinese Zodiac is made up of animals (tiger, dragon, horse, dog, chicken and the rest) so that for Chinese there was always an "astrology meaning" going with each animal. For example horse people are straightforward and direct---which is how you are supposed to perform the horse form in xingyiquan.
Direct copies of animal movement is not very likely for such xingyiquan animal forms as the Tai Bird (mythical), the Dragon (also myth); in the same vein that I doubt anyone ever saw a "drunken 8 immortal" doing a sword form.
Xie Dien (薛顛) in the 1930s wrote this super esoteric book, that was nonetheless widely distributed, talking about how the animal forms and "spirit" was translated into martial arts. The book is famous, although nobody I know has ever claimed to be able to grasp what he was talking about. It is a lot like many new age books in that regard.
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