Shaolin Do Fall Gathering 2008

“	Originally Posted By: Jade_Dragon_03 I didn't have a way to get there. My car is in the body shop getting repaired. $4000 worth of damage. I still don't have my car back. I think I might be getting it back tomorrow. It had some major damage. Did you compete?	”

Sorry to hear about your ride. For $4000 you darn near could have bought a new car. Yes I did compete. I'm not built for point sparring. I'm more of a take one shot to give twelve kind of fighter. I'm in the process of getting some video posted on my site. I'll post a link in a few days. It should be a great source of amusement for all. I look funny enough just walking. Wait until you see me performing martial arts.

Bent....what made you decide to join this forum? Just wanted something new? I think you'll enjoy this forum better. A lot more discussion goes on here. As you can see I have been on this forum for a while.

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“	Originally Posted By: Jade_Dragon_03 Bent....what made you decide to join this forum? Just wanted something new?	”

A little bird told me about another SD bash fest getting started over hear. The people in SD are family to me. Like my own family, I may not always agree with everything they say or do. I will however always defend them. I just thought I'd join in this discussion and offer an informed opposing viewpoint.

“	Originally Posted By: BentMonk The rules for the guys in the clip are: No head contact, light to medium body contact. No knee traps, small joint locks, etc. One point for a punch, two points for a kick, three points for a take down followed by a strike. These rules change the strategy and intensity of the participants. I've seen far worse clips on you tube from other styles, but they don't get nearly the level of crucifixion that any SD video does. The OP of this thread is a well known SD basher who apparently is still having some difficulty dealing with his traumatic experiences in SD at the tender age of 13. So consider the source and the intent when commenting.	”

No head contact at all? Do you allow it in class when sparring?

I'm a well known SD basher? You make it sound as if I'm a criminal like a well known perp. or a well known serial killer......lol.

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You're a well known forum molester. Stop touching people in their danger zone!

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“	Originally Posted By: Jade_Dragon_03 No head contact at all? Do you allow it in class when sparring? I'm a well known SD basher? You make it sound as if I'm a criminal like a well known perp. or a well known serial killer......lol.	”

The no head contact thing has to do with insurance requirements. I do not know the details. In our classes it depends on the level of the practitioners and what they are working on at the time. There are those of us, myself included that have no problem playing by the block or be hit rule. We throw on some gear to keep the need for stitches to a minimum and have at it. It's still sparring, we're not trying to kill each other. As I said, point sparring is not in any way an accurate representation of how someone will fare in matches where contact is allowed. Everyone has a plan until they get hit. Also, any sparring competition regardless of the contact level allowed is still just sparring. It's not a fight. Competitions have rules...fights do not. I compete for fun at various levels, but I train to be able to fight if need be. Part of that training is learning how to handle being hit.

You have developed an online reputation for hating on all things SD. It's starting to precede you.

“	Originally Posted By: WraithAlcon You're a well known forum molester. Stop touching people in their danger zone!	”

I was actually thinking of posting that but then I thought some moron would actually think I was serious and not realize I was joking.

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“	Originally Posted By: BentMonk You have developed an online reputation for hating on all things SD:	”

among other things

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Wolfgang says:

I could think of a million better things to do in Japan for a month besides jumping off of picnic tables. - x893

I hate Shaolin Do as well, but I'm only small time compared to Jade Dragon. However, I feel sorry for many SD guys. They would get themselves killed in a real street fight.

Kyokushin rules don't allow head contact either. So what?

I've sparred ex-SD'ers and they held their own quite well (against me, that's easy, but against others with more talent, that's not so easy). You can't judge an entire style by a single video.

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You said ex-SD'ers, that must mean that they had enough common sense to leave and learn something practical.

“	Originally Posted By: Ben Grimm I hate Shaolin Do as well, but I'm only small time compared to Jade Dragon. However, I feel sorry for many SD guys. They would get themselves killed in a real street fight.	”

Dude, did you even read my above post? Point sparring regardless of style or practitioner level is NOT in ANY way an accurate representation of how they would fare in a contact situation. Even a full contact sparring match is not a good indicator as to how someone would do in a street fight. All sparring competitions have rules. There are NO rules in a street fight.

So BG your post implies that if you were competing in a point sparring event you'd be throwing knee traps, throat strikes, eye gouges, small joint locks, etc.? You'd be trying to show that you could hold your own in the street right? Forget about technique, control, and friendly competition. It's all about keeping it real right? BTW, how much "real street fight" experience do you actually have? If I'm going to listen to someone, I like to be sure they have the real world experience to back up their keyboard fu. If they don't, I treat their opinions and observations with the appropriate amount of disregard.

“	Originally Posted By: Ben Grimm You said ex-SD'ers, that must mean that they had enough common sense to leave and learn something practical.	”

Let me pop in here real quick.

Practicality isn't on the table here. The competative side is based on a video of two very poor competitors according to populous opinion. I'm not saying much because I've seen better from white belts & worse from black belts in all different MAs.

SD's material, while the history & origins are a strongly noted point of contention, works as well as any other MA in the field if the person using it is committed to using it... just like anybody else. If it didn't work, it wouldn't be around, no matter the marketing machine. Especially coming out of the hills of Kentucky as it has.

I'm sorry, no stereotyping involved, but let's face facts that some of those good ol' boys from Kentucky like to scrap. If they were SD students & were constantly getting their collective asses handed to them, SD would've gone the way of the do-do. But... it doesn't seem to have worked that way, in fact the very opposite. I'd say SD is one the larger, more established MA's in the region, not solely due to the marketing machine that drives it, but to the practicality for self defense. It's real basic when it gets to the self defense level of use, as any MA should.

It may not be a competition based machine nor show it, it's decidedly not as traditional as it purports, but it does teach people how to use what they've been taught in a simple & direct manner for self defense.

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Accurate and well said. Nice post sir.

“	Originally Posted By: clfsean . Especially coming out of the hills of Kentucky as it has. I'm sorry, no stereotyping involved, but let's face facts that some of those good ol' boys from Kentucky like to scrap.	”

LOL.......now thats funny. Not all of Kentucky are in the "hills". We do have some civilized areas that actually have indoor plumming and have the latest technology. Lets see if I can remember those areas, we have Louisville, Lexington, Bowling Green, ummm Ft. Knox, Franfort, and I think we have a few other civilized places that aren't "in the hills".........LOL. Kentucky is a actually a very nice place. Although we do have some very bad places that don't have indoor plumming and have individual rooster cages in people's front yards because they have rooster fights (its actually called something else but the forum will sensor the correct name). Up in those "hills" them good ole' boys like to grow thier marijuana. Looj out if you stumble apon thier patch, they'll shoot ya.

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