Green Dragon Academy????

Well, I've spent the better part of a day viewing Green Dragon material. Good video instruction and narration.

These are the titles I saw:

White Lotus Fighting Fan
Two Monks Staff Combat Set
Northern Three Quarter Staff Set
Stone Warrior Training
Double Iron Rulers Seek the Tiger
Northern Double Edged Straight Sword

Sifu Allen mentions in the tapes that they are reproduced periodically to update his stock. These tapes that I watched were produced around 1988, so I'm wondering if he has the same staff performing the sets in the newer productions. This bunch was really good.

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Thats not the same school they are talking about. Sifu Mark Chan does a totally different style than Sifu John Allen from what I have seen.

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I am new to this site and was intrigued by the posts about the Lair of the Green Dragon. I used to study under Sifu Allen personally. Is there a question about his authenticity? Just curious.

“	Originally Posted By: fightingtigress I am new to this site and was intrigued by the posts about the Lair of the Green Dragon. I used to study under Sifu Allen personally. Is there a question about his authenticity? Just curious.	”

I'm curious, what did you study under Sifu Allen?

My late GM Seung Hwa Cheung was a friend of Allen and shared some of the things from our system with him.

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Not surprising. They don't do hardly anything the way the mainstream, sport-style schools do.

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Neither do I. I am an Old School Tai Zu Chang Chuan player.

For one thing, they believe (and it is said can demonstrate this) that the material they train on actually develops the chi in the body for application in fighting and power.

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No they can't, they muscle everything. No use of Qi at all. Infact thier horribky bad body structure alone chokes off the Qi completely leaving only muscle power to be relied on.

And they don't maneuver (for example in fighting work) the way most schools do, either.

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That is because thier body structural/skelital alignment is so bad they they can't maneuver correctly.

What is seen on the tapes reflects such non-orthodox (but as taught by the older masters) approaches and works, in their paradigm, in application.

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Maybe if the older master's they learned from didn't know anything sure. Green Dragon people are all lacking the CORE body structure, and mechanics of authentic Tai tzu Chang Chuan. And yes, the vid I have of them does show a Tai Tzu form...abit with some other things mixed into it, but still Tai tzu. It's just really BAD Tai Tzu done by people who have not a clue as to how the style should move. The performance is completely off balance and akward. The apps shown are just dumb and not combat worthy at all, let alone Tai Tzu ways of fighting...when it's supposed to be apps of the TAI TZU form...

They all move like they spent too much time muscling everything, and not enough time devloping fundementals.

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Wow dude, you are completely misunderstanding and wrong about just about everything you said.

I know for a fact that they can and do fight highly effectively, they do have many qigong skills that build qi for use in fighting, some of the people on their tapes were masters of my system and I know for a fact that their skill far surpasses 3/4ths of current Chinese American masters that I've met.

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Well, it sure don't show in thier Tai Tzu Long Fist tape...every thing was wrong.

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Perhaps because it was theirs and not yours, what they show for Tai Tzu has matched what I've seen for others.

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Well, the we will have to agree to dissagree.

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Aye perhaps, as their Chang Chuan is what comes from our system and it is Chang Chuan, Emperor's version, real, not false or pretend like other sets, not wushu, not patched together.

It is an EMA style, not IMA, sorry that your experience is limited and your vision is lacking, but that is the way with people who do not know.

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It is an EMA style, not IMA, sorry that your experience is limited and your vision is lacking,but that is the way with people who do not know.

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Be careful here, you are talking to a specialist in this perticular style. I know far more than you are assuming, and my *Vision* is much more encompasing than you remotely know.

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Ah yes, who do you study under, what branch? (Sorry to be so sceptical here, but when people claim to be specialists and their vision is more encompassing when they are obviously missing what stares them in the face, then I highly doubt such)


That Tai Tzu is Honan Bei, and as systems go is one of the best I've seen, powerful, effective, very useful for fighting, far more encompassing than many other Tai Tzu branches I've seen in other systems, more practical as well.

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Is this the same Green Dragon that S.L Martin is/was affiliated with?

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“	Originally Posted By: Royal Dragon Be careful here, you are talking to a specialist in this perticular style. I know far more than you are assuming, and my *Vision* is much more encompasing than you remotely know.	”

Now, don't get all choppy with each other. RD, you've been doing research for quite a few years into Tai Tzu Chang Chuan, I've seen your threads over at KFM. That's all for the good, so kudos. But consider the possibility that there are other versions and interpretations of TTCC -- not just from wannabe westerners who misappropriate the name and stick it onto some kempo forms, but from Chinese sources.

For example -- a lot of people who see Wu style taiji for the first time say "that's all wrong, you can't fight or move energy with that, the posture is totally wrong!" because it looks so different from Yang or Chen styles. And yet it is a very effective and very authentic taiji style, created by a master with a different interpretation of the same movements.

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