Green Dragon Academy????

What ever happened to the Green Dragon Academy headed by Sifu John Allen and Sifu Gene Chicoine it seems to have disappeared without a trace

Alvin,


I have a question for you.

What Is progressive protection

Also.............


Were they for real

They seemed to know everything about every single Kung Fu style around.

I had my doubts about them.


jmd161

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Progressive Protection Systems is the rebranded system of Master of Ho Soon Cheng in Penang- a TRUE Master of many shaolin disciplines, whose base systems was the five ancestors systems which her learnt from childhood. PPS has elements of other systems in it but it is very efficient in combat. Look for our School profile in the school locator and also on our website www.martialarts-int.com.au

As for green dragon. I was interested in the fact that they seemed to be running a very profitable and large organisation with their merchandising etc but seemed to deisappear without a trace.

Alan,

You wanted to know what happened to Green Dragon well here's their link.

http://grndragon.worldgate.ca/sifus/master-chan.shtml

Apparantly their still around

jmd161

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I fought a guy who studied From Green Dragon Acadamy, needless to say he studied longer, was faster, and made better use of use style. He plainly kicked my a##

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fireinthewater,

I guess they were for real. Huh

I used to see them in the different martial arts magazines Inside Kung Fu,Inside Karate,Black Belt,etc....

I thought they were fake because they would advertise every style of kung fu known to man even some very rare styles.They said they had all forms on tape so you could learn any style you wanted to learn.

I notice on their website that they don't advertise that stuff anymore just that they teach a couple of different styles.

jmd161

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Its not the same green dragon academy...It was aligned with Gene Chicoine who has a website funny though he makes no mention of the Green Dragon or John Allen....

Was it the person you fought from the green dragon acdemy of John Allen because that is the one in question....green dragon seems a pretty common name

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I don't recall where he was from, when he comes back to the states i will find out.

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Sifu John R. Allen is the director and founder of Green Dragon Studios. It is located in Stow, Ohio. There are also two university clubs on the campuses of Ohio State & Kent State Univeristies respectivley. Sifu Allen has trained under a number of eminent masters and is most definetly the "REAL DEAL".

Grand Master Chene L. Chicoine is head of the International Shuai Chiao Association and is Located in Tallmadge, Ohio.
Master Chicoine trained under the legendary Grand Master Chang Tung Shen and was his adopted godson.

Both Sifu Allen and Master Chicoine drumed up some contraversy n the late 80's & early 90's with thier views on the way tournaments were ran, the racism in the Chinese martial arts community and probobly the biggest bomb they droped was reguarding the lack of sufficient strenght in most martial artist reguardles of style.

Both Green Dragon Studio's and The International Shuai Chiao Association are thriving.

They are not in the spotlight any more due to thier belife that they put the truth out there, if the public chooses to see it or not is somthing they have no control over.
As the directors of large organizations they felt that too much time was being taken away from what they really needed to be concerned with, which was thier own training and the training of thier students.

Sifu Allen and Master Chicoine both aproch kung fu from what they reguard as a classical manner and as such train for hours per day in addition to thier teaching duties and family obligations.

I have been involved with Chinese Martial Arts for over 20 years and have seen dozens & dozens of so called instructors.
In my book these two men are Chinese Martial artists of the highest order.

Daniel

Sorry for the mis information, Gene Chicoine's International Shuia Chiao Association HQ is in Akron, Ohio not Tallmadge as mentioned above.

Sorry

Daniel

I have seen Gene Chicoine's which is not very much but does green dragon have one

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Geoff Bennett Martial Arts International
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No, Green Dragon Studios has no website.

Daniel

I had the dealings with a few of the Green Dragon who's sifu is John Allen students in Kent. I heard of a meeting on campus so I went. They showed a video of some forms and then we were asked to come back on whatever day. But I'd say a month later I was practicing at the recreation center when these green dragons wanted to spar with me. I said yes. There stances were horrible. They said they were advanced students. There tiger claw techniques were extermely weak also. One grapped me and I used a simple chin na move to get him off and held it. He couldn't even release himself. It was pitiful. I don't have much to say for the master. But the students need to train a bit harder or pick up a different style.

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i went to kent state university and was thrilled to hear of a kung fu club on campus. a meeting was announced and i attended, only to be disappointed. to demonstrate their skill, they aired a tape of various forms and techniques. i felt somewhat cheated, had they really wanted to demonstrate their prowess, i felt they should have done the routines on spot and in person. just a personal observation on my part.

while working out one day in the combative room, i came across a green dragon practitioner who was running what appeared to be a tiger form. the stances were poor, the strikes and movements lacking in power and tact. he asked me what style i did, and asked to see my tiger form. i finished, and he had the gaul to tell me mine was not true tiger. needless to say, i was nisulted. he told me my tiger was WEAK. disrespectful and brash, he challenged me. i anticipated a fight, what i got was barely a light workout. the few hits he did land had no power behind them, and his poor stances left him wide open and vulnerable to many of my attacks. he submitted, bowing out. i had beaten him into submission. not to brag, but fact is fact and what happened is what happened.

i by no means gauge their prowess by this ONE student, but something he said to me before we began seemed to be a reflection of an attitude possibly incubated within the walls of his school.

"green dragon kung fu is the best in the world"...his technique spoke otherwise.

It sucks to hear you have had poor experiances with peolpe from the Kent State club. Somthing to remember is that anyone canget into either the Kent State or Ohio State clubs but thier is a LONG probationary period before you get into the private studio and start training under Sifu Allen.

Sifu Allen places a great emphasis on stance work and conditioning. As i understand it makes up the first hour to hour and a half of the three hour classes in the private studio.

Another note for the first year of training all aspects of power development, and strength are emphasised. And they are taught to have the "empty rice bowl" If you came across a true advanced student from Green Dragon he/she would have been both respectful and easily capable of making a tiger claw technique or chin na release work.

I see two posible explanations:
1 these people claimed to be students to ad credibility to their training but indeed are not.

2 These are new students who are zelous to be better than they really are.

Please do not judge Green Dragon by either of the two university clubs that are set up for beginers.

Peace,
Daniel