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April 2nd, 2004, 10:03 AM
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So I've been told that a lot of Hung Gar stylists study a little Choy Li Fut. Has anyone else heard of this Do you (if you're Hung Gar) study Choy Li Fut as well
Myself, I only train in Hung Gar. But I've heard that they are quite similar anyway. So would it really be necessary to study both
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April 2nd, 2004, 10:07 AM
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Rep Power: 8 | | | I'm not sure what Choy Li Fut is, honestly. I know we do a few Wu Shu drills / fist sets at my Hung Gar school, but we're not the most traditional school there ever was.
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April 2nd, 2004, 10:11 AM
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It is something I have noticed. Correct me if I am wrong, didn't Lam Sai Wing know a little Choy li Fut
I just realized something. The reason I may have noticed this, is because two or three of the predominat teacher who brought hung gar to the US also knew choy li fut.
Thrax am I remembering right, does your hung gar come down through Wing Lam
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April 2nd, 2004, 10:13 AM
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Rep Power: 23 | | | I'd really like to see some Choy Li Fut forms so I can see the similarities. That would help me a lot.
In regards to the lineage though, I'm going to have to differ to Mok on this one, because I honestly am not the most educated on my lineage. Mok trains with my Sifu's Sifus. So he might know better.
Mok, care to answer that question
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April 2nd, 2004, 10:29 AM
| | Smashesfistw/face | | Join Date: Feb 2000 Location: Mountain West - USA Year(s): Lost track, dont care, but its not long enough.
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Rep Power: 34 | | I understand that this guy has a few hung gar schools in canada. Do you know if you are connected with him. http://www.fuhok.com/C%20Kautzman%20Sifu/biography.htm
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April 2nd, 2004, 10:40 AM
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I would have to say no. I have watched some of the forms on his website, and they are VERY different from the forms that I know. If there is any relation, it probably was from a few generations ago, and nothing more recent.
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April 2nd, 2004, 11:09 AM
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Mok trains with my Sifu's Sifus. So he might know better. | ” | |
Woahhh... Thrax, we got to stop this Sifu's Sifu thing ;] - I've only been in Hung Gar (actually in MA period) for about the same time as you - give or take a year, and honestly I' m not so good as to merit all this attention ;]
About Choy Li Fut - I don't have much more intimate knowledge than you on that one, but from what I have seen they are very similar, being both southern shaolin based styles. Choy Li Fut has the same animals, elements, and the same root in horse-stnace/bow stance transitions as Hung. I can ask 2 new guys at our kwoon who just joined from a Choy Li Fut school after theirs closed shop - they would have better insight.
From what I have seen, Hung concentrates more on the animals and close-in techniques.
Choy Li Fut has much more varied (northern) kicking, and alot of swinging fists.
As far as examples go, Buck Sam Kong and his students (Vernon Rieta, etc) teach both Hung Kuen and Choy Li Fut, so they must to a degree feel they're complimentary. Buck Sam Kong was one of the first if not the first teacher of Hung Kuen in the US (and in the west). http://www.bucksamkongkungfu.com/
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April 2nd, 2004, 11:15 AM
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This is not meant to be rude, but I'm not calling you my Sifu's Sifu, if that's what you are thinking
BUT! You DO train with the Hung Gar instructors who trained my Sifu. And as such, you might know more about our lineage than I do. Sifu Warren doesn't really talk much about it. But he said that's because Sifu Bun and Sifu Kin didn't talk much about it either.
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April 2nd, 2004, 11:16 AM
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April 2nd, 2004, 11:17 AM
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nope.
But Sifu Kautzman is Lam Jo lineage, as are we.
Beyond that, no relation. Also He uses a "standard" canton Hung Gar currriculum, whereas our teachers' curriculum is heavily modified so you may find our "Hung gars" differ.
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April 2nd, 2004, 11:19 AM
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nope.
But Sifu Kautzman is Lam Jo lineage, as are we.
Beyond that, no relation. Also He uses a "standard" canton Hung Gar currriculum, whereas our teachers' curriculum is heavily modified so you may find our "Hung gars" differ. | ” | |
See I didn't know that! 
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April 2nd, 2004, 11:27 AM
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Rep Power: 111 | | | From what I understand, Choi Lay Fut compliments a lot of styles. Its just a good solid style.
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April 2nd, 2004, 11:55 AM
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Rep Power: 34 | | | “ | As far as examples go, Buck Sam Kong and his students (Vernon Rieta, etc) teach both Hung Kuen and Choy Li Fut, so they must to a degree feel they're complimentary. Buck Sam Kong was one of the first if not the first teacher of Hung Kuen in the US (and in the west).
http://www.bucksamkongkungfu.com/ | ” | |
I was going to post that. Buck being one of the first in the US really had an impact on the hung gar, CLF relationship in the US.
It seems I know nothing of your sifu. I know you posted his name once, I guess I didn't pay much attention due to the fact I "assumed" he was related to Sifu Kautzman.
Anotherthing I noticed is that the schools who teach CLF and Hung Gar tend to mix the two. Their HG uses wider movements, and more stomping power when compared to other HG practitioners I have seen.
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April 2nd, 2004, 12:36 PM
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April 2nd, 2004, 04:33 PM
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It's got lam juen, buk tui (southern fist, northern kicks) plus some shaolin stuff. It was traditional MMA. Go figure.
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