Warrior Vs. Fighter

Alot of people understand that, they just don't bring it up.

afterall if you can't say, "yeh I'm in the class to learn to fight," explaining your choice of hobbies is difficult

"so, why you sign up for that stuff"

"Oh, I'm hoping to transcend the realm physical violence so that I can attain a certain zen like enlightenment.....pass the salt,"

doesn't quite roll off the tongue

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Well put my brother.
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Mastering others requires force;
Mastering the self requires enlightenment.
The way of the true warrior .Lao tzu

Eh,I went a bit over board, just tired of everyone asking me to do some **** crazy-flying-super kick when they find out I train.

life would be so much easier if it wasn't full of fools

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True fighting does not make an artist or a warrior for that matter, the lesser man will jump at the opportunity to fight.

Lightning 123456, how close do you let strangers on the street get to you, I generally do not let anyone get closer than arms length at the shortest to me, especially if they are talking about me knowing MA and me taking them, also examine how you carry yourself, where you go, the people you hang out with. A lot of confrontations can be totaly avoided altogether, by not being in that type of situation.

I have never been confronted, then again most people do not see me as a threat, they see a skinny young guy that you would dismess as soon as you see him, great trick. If they ever do they have already lost for two reasons, first, they are in the wrong for going against the natural order of things, violence is a dark and distructive force, second they assume because of my size that I am weak and an easy win, what they do not know is that I am a Sifu with 22 yrs of experience, and have at least twice the power that you would imagine by looking at me.

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There are but three ways,
the way of the Heavens,
the way of the Earth,
and the way we must follow,the Tao.

Lin Tui

well said on both of your last posts Bon Chuan

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There are but three ways,
the way of the Heavens,
the way of the Earth,
and the way we must follow,the Tao.

Lin Tui

If you are training in the correct environment, there will be a certain amount of physical contact, much of it could be considered largely unpleasant if it occurred outside the kwoon environment. Why then do you subject ourselves to this punishment So that when we are in danger, if we get hit we accept that strike with the knowledge of what it is to be struck. Are we upset or annoyed in the kwoon when we are struck Of course not, we are grateful to our Sifu or To dai because we accept this is learning.
Because of this, the longer we train, I believe, the more we become bigger than the sort of petty annoyance that would usually spark off a physical conflict, less likely to rise to the bait. We should also understand the possible consequences of such a physical undertaking through awareness of our own capabilities as martial artists.

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Faith itself, compelled by the Holy Spirit, possesses an inner dynamism that necessitates deeper understanding. ~Thomas Weinandy O.F.M.

Well said FightingFat

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There are but three ways,
the way of the Heavens,
the way of the Earth,
and the way we must follow,the Tao.

Lin Tui

Yeh, can't argue with that

but on the other hand, living your entire life never sacrificing, fighting and bleeding for something you believe in is no real accomplishment either

I guess being a warrior/artist lies somewhere between warmongering and pacifism, beyond that I'm at a loss

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like a martial artist a warrior is one who accepts and becomes both the vulture and the swan

ps don't explain that to FF

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I've always pictured FF as more of a turkey...or maybe a pigeon

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“	<<Fighting doesn't make artists>> nice to see that somebody gets it	”

Exactly... just as "pursuing an art" will not make one a fighter.

Strange that all the definitions of each of the words "fighter", "soldier", "warrior", and "(martial) artist" seem to revolve around the ability to actually fight.
One can be a soldier and not have any "fighting" skills. They may be ordered by "the state" to do their duty and get killed because of their lack of skills.
One can be a warrior and not have any "fighting" skills. They may have the desire to champion the most just of causes but if it requires physical fighting skills they will fall short if they are simply a "warrior".
One can be a martial artist and not have any "fighting" skills. Look no further than your local McDojo or your favorite internet message board for proof of this.

On the other hand, being a "fighter" requires having "fighting skills". It would seem that in order to be any of the other 3 mentioned above, it would be a prerequisite to be a fighter first and foremost...

The best warriors are fighters... the best soldiers are fighters... the best martial artists are fighters.

What good is a soldier... a warrior... a martial artist that can't fight

Peace-
Cam

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"Raise up your mind....."

One could say fighting is a tool used by all these to attain what they want, a means to an end.

Not all soldiers fight, some run and hide
Not all MA'ist fight, some just talk trash and open up a dojo after 1 or 2 lessons
Not all warriors fight, but they do all die, fighting generally prolongs a warriors life

none of these need fighting, but where are they without it

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“	Originally Posted By: aqira like a martial artist a warrior is one who accepts and becomes both the vulture and the swan ps don't explain that to FF	”

Am I the only person here who doesn't get this

“	Originally Posted By: Bon Chuan I've always pictured FF as more of a turkey...or maybe a pigeon	”

Right, that's your card well & truly marked!

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Faith itself, compelled by the Holy Spirit, possesses an inner dynamism that necessitates deeper understanding. ~Thomas Weinandy O.F.M.

You must also consider that fighting does not always mean physical encounters, but possibly the fight of the mind or spirit.

Also consider that these are not actual positions, but rather states of mind.

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There are but three ways,
the way of the Heavens,
the way of the Earth,
and the way we must follow,the Tao.

Lin Tui

"You must also consider that fighting does not always mean physical encounters, but possibly the fight of the mind or spirit."

"Also consider that these are not actual positions, but rather states of mind."


wait...huh!!

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