Warrior Vs. Fighter

Reading through some of my old Taoism books I noticed an interesting section on how it relates to martial arts. One thing that really stuck out was a nice short section on the difference between a soldier, a fighter and a warrior.


I have my own thoughts on this but I was really hoping to get some of yours.

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What did the book say the differences were

Its pretty abstract about it but to paraphrase:

Fighter: A brawler, someone who fights for non ideological reasons, not to say without reason at all.

Soldier: Someone who fights for the overall good of the state, will fight and die to defend his worldly beliefes.

Warrior: someone who fights for the defense of their spiritual or moral beliefs, generally hopes to transcend "lesser conflict"

note: this is not to say any of these 3 seek out conflict, just the conflict of choice and how they respond to it.

this is a hard book to understand, it was transalated and not very well either, but I really like it, gets me a thinkin on stuff like this. I may have misinterperated it but i think thats the jist of it.

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Warrior: slays demons as they arise in the mind



Soldier: thinks or is told demons are that other state (You are ok, no work need be done)



Fighter: thinks or is told the demons are another person (you are ok no work need be done)



The medicine is inside but many think it is outside even in causing of problems and that the solutions can be found outside as well. It might just be me but that is crazy, most take it as a normal way to think or at least politicians, media and anyone making stuff to be bought would love everyone to think that way.



We could not walk with out conflict, planets could not move with out conflict so I do not see conflict as a bad thing but part of balancing and harmony between the two poles.

One way to look at it might be

Warrior – fights for a cause
Fighter- looks for a cause to fight
Artist- is their own cause

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Aqira, I like yours!

what about these:

Fighter - someone who fights when others challenge him
Soldier - someone who fights when his commander is challenged
Warrior - someone who fights when life is challenged
Artist - someone who fights not to be challenged

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Out of the 3, warrior is the one that seems very difficult to define.

What seperates a warrior from a rebel or revolutionary if all he needs is a cause

Does warrior imply that someone is fighting for the right side

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<<What seperates a warrior from a rebel or revolutionary if all he needs is a cause>>

That is how you lead them and get them to do whatever it takes, even if it crosses their own line such as to take the life of another.

The mind is capable of any act once it is justified...a cause is a justification, ...........it don't have to be right

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A soldier follows orders. He soldiers on - irrespective of what he feels.
A figher fights. Period.

A warrior - he knows when to stop fighting.

nevilleb

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Each horse, one stance;
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I've always leaned towards the idea of the Warrior as something respectable and noble, someone who knows his place in the grand scheme of things and uses his better judgement to understand what has to be done.

As for soldier and fighter, I think those are pretty appearent, they are 2 dimensional personas.

Defining a warrior is very difficult for me, even if I can ignore all the cultural ideas of what a warrior is and how he acts.

Take America for instance, does it truly have any warriors left or just soldiers and glorified kickboxers who fight for money and fame rather then anyhting morally or spiritually substantial

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Fighter - a person who engages in combat for reward or enjoyment
Soldier - a person who engages in combat out of duty or obligation to the state
Warrior - a person who engages in combat as a fundamental part of his way of life
Artist - a person who engages in combat in the hope of perfecting combat to the point where it is no longer the means to the end

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"Battles are won by slaughter and maneuver. The greater the general, the more he contributes in maneuver, the less he demands in slaughter." - Sir Winston Churchill

I think thats pretty damn close Fu-Pau, only issue I have with you definitions is Artist.
I think that goes a bit deeper. I've seen entire essays, or even full books trying to summarize each one of these categories but as far as 1 sentence sums go, thats good enough for me.

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yeah hard to capture anything really with one liners... but hey, I'm to lazy to write an essay!

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"Battles are won by slaughter and maneuver. The greater the general, the more he contributes in maneuver, the less he demands in slaughter." - Sir Winston Churchill

Fighter - One who fights for the thrill of it
Soldier - One who fught for his country lied to most of the time and he is fighting for political lies whitout even knowing
Warrior - A defender of truth will defand the week and the opressed, will smite all evil
Artist - a simple idiot training on unrealistic means of combat nothing is pure everything his unrefined a path to take if your an old fool taking Karaté for exercise, fools I say martial arts are not for exercise its made to defand and to kill.

Everybody is pretty much on key, except for lightning 123456, the Martial Arts at thier core are self defense yes, but at the highest level, the are the art of fighting without fighting, in other words, at the highest level, they strive to rise above violence and combat, the greatest battle is the one that is not faught.

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There are but three ways,
the way of the Heavens,
the way of the Earth,
and the way we must follow,the Tao.

Lin Tui