China discovered America?

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China discovered America?

“	In fourteen hundred and ninety two, columbus sailed the ocean blue... And 'discovered' America (well, the Carribean actually). Actually, the fact that America had been 'discovered,' would have come as a surprise to the cultures that had been there for 30,000 years, and the Vikings, and the British fishermen who had been fishing off of New Foundland since the 1100's, and the Chinese.The Chinese?Evidence for the Chinese discovery of America at least seventy years prior to Columbus has been around for quite some time. Chinese junks have been found up and down the coast of California, along with Chinese artifacts, all comfortably dated prior to Columbus.	”

If the word *discover* meant that colombus was the first person to discover america, Ever, I would completly disagree. The natives were here long before colombus was ever born.

Though the word discover has a few variations.

dis·cov·er ( P ) Pronunciation Key (d-skvr)
tr.v. dis·cov·ered, dis·cov·er·ing, dis·cov·ers

1. To notice or learn, especially by making an effort: got home and discovered that the furnace wasn't working.
2. 1. <LI type=a>To be the first, or the first of one's group or kind, to find, learn of, or observe.
   2. To learn about for the first time in one's experience: discovered a new restaurant on the west side.
3. To learn something about: discovered him to be an impostor; discovered the brake to be defective.
4. To identify (a person) as a potentially prominent performer: a movie star who was discovered in a drugstore by a producer.
5. Archaic. To reveal or expose.

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“	Originally Posted By: openmind If the word *discover* meant that colombus was the first person to discover america, Ever, I would completly disagree. The natives were here long before colombus was ever born.	”

And before the natives, the dinosaurs, and before them, the aliens, and before them, me(I needed something to do...)
But in all truth you're right, the natives then the vikings then the chinese then columbus.

I saw a program on PBS about this exact topic some time ago, in all evidence it is a true known fact that it did in fact occur, they showed the trail of evidence that proved this story.

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“	Originally Posted By: Mei Hua And before the natives, the dinosaurs, and before them, the aliens, and before them, me(I needed something to do...) But in all truth you're right, the natives then the vikings then the chinese then columbus. I saw a program on PBS about this exact topic some time ago, in all evidence it is a true known fact that it did in fact occur, they showed the trail of evidence that proved this story.	”

The natives, then the vikings, then the Chinese. Though there is some evidence (E.G. a few artifacts, the legend of Fusang), that the Chinese beat the Vikings by at least 500 years.
The only solid prooof is with the Zheng He expedition though.
I'm sold on it. The evidence is compelling. The only reason that I leave my blog open is because there are still large numbers of scholars who can't get their heads around the idea that the Chinese beat the Europeans.

“	Originally Posted By: Burning Monk The natives, then the vikings, then the Chinese. Though there is some evidence (E.G. a few artifacts, the legend of Fusang), that the Chinese beat the Vikings by at least 500 years. The only solid prooof is with the Zheng He expedition though. I'm sold on it. The evidence is compelling. The only reason that I leave my blog open is because there are still large numbers of scholars who can't get their heads around the idea that the Chinese beat the Europeans.	”

There's a rune-stone here in MN that pre-dates Chinese expedition by hundreds of years, so the vikings have them beat...

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Heya. Know about the rune stone, and it is pretty darn cool.
BUT... if the legend of Fusang is true, then the Chinese and Japanese were coming to the west coast of North America for a very, very, long time. Perhaps thousands of years before Zheng He.
Of course, there isn't enough solid proof to say anything for sure.
There are all kinds of records of settlers discovering walls, towers, and all kinds of other improbable stuff on the east coast when they arrived. In all likelihood, they were probably Scandenavian in origin, though they were moslty torn down and used to build houses and so on by the settlers. This was a big part of what started the legends of the lost hebrew tribe, and eventually sparked the Mormon religion.
Has anyone ever heard about any types of indigenous Indian forms of martial arts? It's a huge stretch, but could Kung-Fu have been transfered to the new world?

“	Originally Posted By: Burning Monk BUT... if the legend of Fusang is true, then the Chinese and Japanese were coming to the west coast of North America for a very, very, long time. Perhaps thousands of years before Zheng He. Of course, there isn't enough solid proof to say anything for sure. There are all kinds of records of settlers discovering walls, towers, and all kinds of other improbable stuff on the east coast when they arrived. In all likelihood, they were probably Scandenavian in origin, though they were moslty torn down and used to build houses and so on by the settlers. This was a big part of what started the legends of the lost hebrew tribe, and eventually sparked the Mormon religion.	”

I find this interesting, as I said I know and saw a documentary about the Zheng He expedition, but do you have any links or can you point me to where to look for the other info. you mentioned?
It's intriguing.

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“	Originally Posted By: Mei Hua I find this interesting, as I said I know and saw a documentary about the Zheng He expedition, but do you have any links or can you point me to where to look for the other info. you mentioned? It's intriguing.	”

There is a recently released book called "1421" which is all about the Zheng He expeditions. I can't recall the author's name off the top of my head though... and I'm too lazy to google it

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If my memory serves me, the oldest skeletal remains in North America (British Columbia, more specifically) that have yet to be discovered were of JAPANESE origin!... Saw something about it on Discovery Channel, or TLC or something like that. So it's believed that the Japanese (or a lineage thereof, that no longer exists i believe), were actually the first to discover North America... can't remeber exact dates but it was quite a big jump from the first remains of any Native American remains that have yet to be found....

“	There is a recently released book called "1421" which is all about the Zheng He expeditions. I can't recall the author's name off the top of my head though... and I'm too lazy to google it	”

I've seen the book too, but i'm also too lazy...

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“	Originally Posted By: MotjClan I've seen the book too, but i'm also too lazy...	”

See... we have lots in common!

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"Battles are won by slaughter and maneuver. The greater the general, the more he contributes in maneuver, the less he demands in slaughter." - Sir Winston Churchill

“	See... we have lots in common!	”

LOL! Tons!

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“	Originally Posted By: MotjClan If my memory serves me, the oldest skeletal remains in North America (British Columbia, more specifically) that have yet to be discovered were of JAPANESE origin!... Saw something about it on Discovery Channel, or TLC or something like that. So it's believed that the Japanese (or a lineage thereof, that no longer exists i believe), were actually the first to discover North America... can't remeber exact dates but it was quite a big jump from the first remains of any Native American remains that have yet to be found.... I've seen the book too, but i'm also too lazy...	”

I happen to have the book on my shelf...

"1421: The Year China Discovered the World" by Gavin Menzies

This is the one you're talking about right?

Back on topic, Europe got owned.

“	Originally Posted By: Novice Back on topic, Europe got owned.	”

You're posting in English, right?

There is mounting evidence that the American-Indians discovered Europe before Europe discover them.

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“	Originally Posted By: Unkotare You're posting in English, right?	”

Touché.

I was merely poking fun at China getting there before them.
Please forgive me if it sounded like a challenge or an insult.