Your most hated style (obvious flamebait)

Nik, I think you are missing the point of the form argument. No one said that forms have no application. The argument is that doing the form itself is not practical application of the techniques. As for the wrestler analogy, simply bridging staticly and alone is not practical application, it's drilling.... but wrestlers apply the bridge all the time when they compete... and incidentally, when they do it, it looks just like the static drill.

Now, back on topic.

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As many have already said, Im not sure I hate any style. I really like some styles, and am pretty much indifferent to the rest.

“	Originally Posted By: Lugaldamhara No one said that forms have no application. The argument is that doing the form itself is not practical application of the techniques. As for the wrestler analogy, simply bridging staticly and alone is not practical application, it's drilling.... but wrestlers apply the bridge all the time when they compete... and incidentally, when they do it, it looks just like the static drill.	”

Maybe this is a case of misunderstanding, or miscommunication, on both sides: I do formwork, and I agree with all of the above, and think that done properly, theres no difference between a well designed and executed form and its practical applicaiton. Not all forms are created equal and I think that most people fall victim to thinking that if youve seen one form (or style with forms), then youve seen them all...

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But "done properly," there's the thing.

Styles that have stripped out critical elements in order to either look better (wushu) or fight in a single limited venue (olympic TKD), after a generation or two, few/no instructors in those styles can teach the application.

I don't hate styles though, but those kinds of flavors I don't like.

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Flowery fists and embroidery kicks is an old kung fu saying lol.Ther is a set iv learned called Fa kuen flower fist lol.One of the attacks is very powerful.

What i hate in martial arts is people who walk around and say they can do this and that and are such a high grade/belt but when it actually comes to fighting they will always be beat by the true modest fighter and deserve to get ther skulls caved in.To me the only thing belts are good for is holding up your trousers.

This is the hate thread, so I can hate whomever I want ...

Other than that, no, the "forms argument" is first being silly pretending that forms are "applications" and must be done exactly like that in a use case, and then again being silly "critisizing" that those applications "don't work", and shouldn't be done AT ALL. Boxers do wrestlers bridges for their neck too, to be able to withstand punches to the head. Funnily, those stupids don't know you MUST train that by someone punching you in the head and withstanding it, otherwise you are a sissy traditionalist who does not train only what you do in a fight.

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I do not dislike any particular styles, as all have their strengths and weaknesses. What I don't like is when styles are watered down, and lose almost all links to the original, except the name. Also, some practitioners can give a style a bad reputation. Of course somebody would doubt a style if the only example they had seen was some idiot claiming he was a master after watching Enter The Dragon.

I am a master of watching Enter the Dragon. I can watch the heck outta that movie.

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“	Originally Posted By: Sammygirl Well it's a good thing there are no kung fu forms named "flowery form with zero application."	”

I'd like to introduce my new style, Wuyong Huajia Do.

Now there is.

It has to have a Chinese name & end in the Japanese "Do" where the "quan" should be. Kind of like Shaolin Do. Except they're too funny to hate.

I'd like to add any school that has 6-year-olds practice breaking & has young kids practice high kicks long before their knee ligaments are possibly strong enough to take the twisting & sheer forces to the list.

By the way, Sammygirl, Bruce Lee movies don't lose anything in translation. They're just as bad in Chinese. And much more racist & miscogenist.

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“	Originally Posted By: Jeffrey Quinn I'd like to introduce my new style, Wuyong Huajia Do. Now there is.	”

You had me at "Huajia," Jeffrey. *sniff* You -- had me -- at "Huajia"...

“	By the way, Sammygirl, Bruce Lee movies don't lose anything in translation. They're just as bad in Chinese. And much more racist & miscogenist.	”

I get the feeling they are, just from the gestures & facial expressions. Although Bruce was always on "11" emotion wise. I remember watching Shaolin Temple with a few people from kung fu class & a couple of the Chinese guys got really embarrassed during the dog-eating scene. We asked why and one mumbled something about how Americans would get a wrong impression of shaolin monks from the movie. I think there was more to it than the dog...

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"Whatever the case, it proves that countless disasters can be prevented by simply assuming everyone you're working with is a moron." ~ Adam Brown, 5 Tiny Mistakes...

“	Originally Posted By: Sammygirl You had me at "Huajia," Jeffrey. *sniff* You -- had me -- at "Huajia"... I get the feeling they are, just from the gestures & facial expressions. Although Bruce was always on "11" emotion wise. I remember watching Shaolin Temple with a few people from kung fu class & a couple of the Chinese guys got really embarrassed during the dog-eating scene. We asked why and one mumbled something about how Americans would get a wrong impression of shaolin monks from the movie. I think there was more to it than the dog...	”

Did some of them hit on you after watching the scene?

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Wolfgang says:

I could think of a million better things to do in Japan for a month besides jumping off of picnic tables. - x893

they were probably hitting on her before the scene

“	As many have already said, Im not sure I hate any style. I really like some styles, and am pretty much indifferent to the rest.	”

Me too. To truly hate a style would seem to indicate personal issues.

Even the stuff I used to train, that I don't anymore. I don't hate those styles, I thank them for helping me on my journey to where I am now.

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