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Old June 22nd, 2008, 12:34 AM
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I love this question and give kudos to you for it. Now I do not have time to read through it all at the moment but what I will do is put my response.
I am pro military and am for a mandatory military service. This being said, I am an American and know that our service is different from those of many other countries. We are not as abusive and dehumanising. I believe that a citizen should give some commitment in their life to the country they call home, expect to take care of them and be there for them. We expect so much from our governments, but how much does the average person give in return? I believe that the service can instill a young person with a lot in the way of discapline, work intergrety and job knowledge. As well it would help to make these kids comming out of highschool develop into productive adults. We expect this of them when they join the workfoce but do little to teach and foster this. This all bing said I am aware that nothing is 100% and that not 100% of the people who joined would get out of it what it has to offer. As well there would have to be a lot of restructuring to fit this ideal. But imagine how it could change society for the better. Imagine the possitive effects such an experince had on you when you served.( for the prior service members here) I miss it and will til the day I die.
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As well it would help to make these kids comming out of highschool develop into productive adults. We expect this of them when they join the workfoce but do little to teach and foster this.

This right here. Unlike other countries, the U.S. doing little to foster its trades and is shoving kids toward college at all costs.

Those costs include: enforcing standardized testing that takes precedent over classroom learning; cutting vocational programs in public schools in favor of college-prep programs; pressuring teachers to pass marginal or failing students so that the schools will get more funding.

I know several public school teachers and not a single one of them supports "No Child Left Behind" or their state's standardized tests. All of them spend a majority of their school year teaching students how to pass these tests -- not, how to learn, how to solve problems, how to truly understand the material -- just tricks to pass a test.

Our country may have some fine and wonderful universities but we are funneling undereducated, underachieving, directionless kids into them -- kids who would be better served learning a real trade. Today's American students by and large are only learning to do just what it takes to get through an artificially imposed system, and nothing more. Then they get out into the real world and wonder why they can only get a job making french fries.

Our military does a really good job of taking directionless underachievers and slapping some perspective into them. Not all choose to go to college but a great many do, and they go into it with a good focus on how best to achieve their career goals and a very good awareness of how important it is to really learn, not just repeat what the administration wants to hear. That used to be something our high schools did but that responsibility has been pretty much stripped from them.
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Hard to conscript people here, when nobody has any idea what's going on or who's side they are on, in a big part, thanks to the daily tragedy/soap opera that is, SA politics.
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Originally Posted By: Sammygirl View Post
This right here. Unlike other countries, the U.S. doing little to foster its trades and is shoving kids toward college at all costs.

dang well said.


ok, so I arrived to this thread late, but it's a pretty interesting read and I'd like to throw in my two cents. So I've flirted with the idea of joining up for most of my adult life. In fact the US Navel Academy was my number one college up until Bush got elected, even in high school I sensed a long drawn out war over questionable ideology was just on the horizon. I'm once again thinking about joining, this time in the reserves or national guard, and I'm kind of stuck on the same thing. I've got a lot of problems with the Iraq war, and I feel that by joining up now, it would be like saying I approve of what we've been doing.

Now back to what we were talking about... when you join the military, you don't really get to pick and choose how you serve. Yeah you get to select your MOS, but at the end of the day you got to go where they tell you and do what you told. That's really the part of compulsory service that bugs me. There's just so many you can get drawn into things you really really don't believe in, not to mention the whole "putting you life on the line", which is what our troops do on such a routine basis. Volunteering is a big part of what makes our armed forces so special.

sorry if I'm venting a little here. It's just a really interesting subject and I need to go to bed.
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