Massachusetts Voters

“	Originally Posted By: bobblehead Actually we'd make millions in taxes, save even more on the drug war and free up tremendous amounts of prison space...!	”

Any taxes recieved would be far more than offset by the inevitable legal BS that will surely follow, the drug war will not be affected in any measurable way, and the people in prison will get there some other way.

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Wolfgang says:

I could think of a million better things to do in Japan for a month besides jumping off of picnic tables. - x893

“	Originally Posted By: Unkotare Ok, legalize crack and meth and heroin and the whole thing? Great idea. I'm sure society would benefit greatly from such a move.	”

Hello Unkotare, surely a man of your intelligence can see that this an immature argument? Crack cocaine, methamphetamine and heroine are completely different chemical compaounds with totally different effects on the central nervous system. I am frankly suprised at such a childish argument from somebody who has shown such intelligence and wit on other threads.

“	Originally Posted By: Unkotare Ok, legalize crack and meth and heroin and the whole thing? Great idea. I'm sure society would benefit greatly from such a move.	”

Ok, so why not go in the other direction, ban harmful substances like tobacco and alcohol?

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“	Originally Posted By: Unkotare No next. I said it was just potheads who just wanted to smoke their pot. Nothing more to it. Society will not benefit from this.	”

You sound like you have had a bad experience. Why do you dislike pot smokers so much? Incidently I dont take drugs, even the legal ones.

“	Originally Posted By: Abijam Hello Unkotare, surely a man of your intelligence can see that this an immature argument? Crack cocaine, methamphetamine and heroine are completely different chemical compaounds with totally different effects on the central nervous system. I am frankly suprised at such a childish argument from somebody who has shown such intelligence and wit on other threads.	”

Don't blame me, I was just responding in kind to the argument that was being made.

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Wolfgang says:

I could think of a million better things to do in Japan for a month besides jumping off of picnic tables. - x893

“	Originally Posted By: Abijam You sound like you have had a bad experience. Why do you dislike pot smokers so much? Incidently I dont take drugs, even the legal ones.	”

Good for you. I don't dislike pot smokers any more than I dislike everyone else. The point is that this is an unnecessary way of weakening and burdening society for no legitimate reason. Essentially, it's just selfish hedonism trying to look like a political view.

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Wolfgang says:

I could think of a million better things to do in Japan for a month besides jumping off of picnic tables. - x893

“	Originally Posted By: SunWuKung Ok, so why not go in the other direction, ban harmful substances like tobacco and alcohol?	”

Read the whole thread.

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Wolfgang says:

I could think of a million better things to do in Japan for a month besides jumping off of picnic tables. - x893

“	Originally Posted By: Unkotare Good for you. I don't dislike pot smokers any more than I dislike everyone else. The point is that this is an unnecessary way of weakening and burdening society for no legitimate reason. Essentially, it's just selfish hedonism trying to look like a political view.	”

What are your concerns for society? Do you see pot as an agent for social destruction? Why? Hedonism abounds without pot, always has, why would pot make it worse?

“	Originally Posted By: Unkotare Essentially, it's just selfish hedonism trying to look like a political view.	”

But what about those of us who don't do it? It can't be hedonistic for me because I don't smoke. Dope, anyway.

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“	Originally Posted By: aqira It would be a boost to the cookie industry	”

among others yes...

“	Originally Posted By: Unkotare I don't dislike pot smokers any more than I dislike everyone else.	”

so basically you hate them...

“	Originally Posted By: Unkotare The point is that this is an unnecessary way of weakening and burdening society for no legitimate reason.	”

explain 'cause you lost me here

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“	Originally Posted By: Unkotare Read the whole thread.	”

I don't want to smoke pot - mentioning prohibition of alcohol and tobacco doesn't automatically imply that you do
So if society has a wider social acceptance of smoking pot, then it would be ok? Despite the burden it places on taxes in terms of alcohol abuse vis a vis crime rates? Doesn't sound very consistent.

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As the impact of pot is on the same level as alcohol (or even less), and nowhere near as hard as other drugs (that can kill or debilitate in a blink), I think it should be rated a public offense like speeding, not a crime. Fine it with increasing fees so it gets plain expensive to smoke habitually. Plus, the "why not ban alcohol and tobacco" issue IS valid. Why not ? Dangerous, gets people killed, harms people OTHER than the user, etc. Same thing, same treatment.

BTW, pot IS a huge health risk, when used in high doses before the brain is grown out (teens). People who have a too high THC intake during pubercy end up completely debilitated, like brain dead (can't bind their shoes, dress themselves, etc.). Lesser grades of that inabilities occur with lesser intake. So it's not all cool. Teens, the peer group who is heavily in danger of abusing that in large amounts when legal, would end up in permanent care home in large numbers.

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Gotta say, I'm no fan of weed, used to be - but giving it up was without doubt one of the best things I ever did

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“	Originally Posted By: Abijam Why? Hedonism abounds without pot, always has, why would pot make it worse?	”

And round and round we go...

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Wolfgang says:

I could think of a million better things to do in Japan for a month besides jumping off of picnic tables. - x893

So how do you justify the massive social problems inflicted by alcohol/tobacco? They may have wider "social acceptance" - but they are no less problematic than pot in terms of the damage they cause families.

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