bruce springstien sucks..........

“	Originally Posted By: Jade_Dragon_03 Her being ugly and fat isn't the point. It's her liberal nonsense that she spews that makes me sick. I was just merely pointing out that she is ugly and fat as well which makes it even worse because not only do you have to here this sh!t she speaks but also look at someone who is unattractive as they speak it. It's no wonder she can't get a man.	”

So then it is the point...

“	Originally Posted By: john100 Ok, I'd agree I don't like preachy music but when it's done well I'm willing to listen to music that backs a point of view if it fits in well. "Sweet home alabama" or "Southern Man" I'll listen to either - neither is necessarily great music but it's not the political content of either that limits them for me. Any one see CSNY deja vu?	”

Eh... those two Skynard songs aren't really preachy or political. In fact I like "southern man" where Neil Young basically invited to F off... After all, he started it.

Those songs (for instance) are talking more about the Southern experience of growing up & living/life, as opposed to anywhere else in country (Beach Boys for example). They sing about what they know, grew up, etc...

But Rage's "Bulls on Parade" (for instance)... that's blatant politicking. I've got no use for that at all.

I would never suggest to restrict or sensor anybody's views in anyway here in the US, provided to US citizens by the Constitution. I just won't support them & their opinions by financial or the media outlet playing them while that's on the airwaves. I've got a CD player, an iPod & an off switch.

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I think the real problem with entertainers espousing politics these days is that they are not doing so in an effective or original way. "Sweet Home Alabama" was a lyrical response to "Southern Man" and both are examples of an entertainer voicing his opinions. They're both entertaining music, while tearing up a picture of the Pope on stage is not.

Not to say an entertainer can't publicly espouse political views -- but it's been a very long time since I've listened to a musician or actor preach about something political and I went "Yeah, right on, man." Even if I hold similar views I'm not going to go out and buy their album.

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Yeah Sammy, I agree. It's kinda like what the Dixie Chicks did about 5 years ago (saying they were ashamed of Bush and him being from Texas) and it hurt thier sales (CD's sales & concert sales). That goes to show that fans don't want to hear that garbage. I know that when they made that comment all their fans here in Lexington, Kentucky took thier CD's of the Dixie Chicks to a mall parking lot and put them in a big pile and ran over them with a huge monster truck.

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Why does any one care so much what the Dixie Freaking Chicks think? So they hate Bush~ lots of people do.

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“	Originally Posted By: KungFu Krissy Why does any one care so much what the Dixie Freaking Chicks think? So they hate Bush~ lots of people do.	”

It's like my grandma & grandpa used to tell me... "Boy, it ain't what you say but how you say it."

Same same there

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“	Originally Posted By: Sammygirl I think the real problem with entertainers espousing politics these days is that they are not doing so in an effective or original way. "Sweet Home Alabama" was a lyrical response to "Southern Man" and both are examples of an entertainer voicing his opinions. They're both entertaining music, while tearing up a picture of the Pope on stage is not. Not to say an entertainer can't publicly espouse political views -- but it's been a very long time since I've listened to a musician or actor preach about something political and I went "Yeah, right on, man." Even if I hold similar views I'm not going to go out and buy their album.	”

Did I get those two songs mixed up??

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Who knows... I know very little about music. But I also don't like political views mixed with entertainment. It's so wrong.

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“	Originally Posted By: clfsean Did I get those two songs mixed up??	”

Yes but I'll forgive you

“	Yeah Sammy, I agree. It's kinda like what the Dixie Chicks did about 5 years ago (saying they were ashamed of Bush and him being from Texas) and it hurt thier sales (CD's sales & concert sales). That goes to show that fans don't want to hear that garbage. I know that when they made that comment all their fans here in Lexington, Kentucky took thier CD's of the Dixie Chicks to a mall parking lot and put them in a big pile and ran over them with a huge monster truck.	”

IMO the Dixie Chicks got run over by a government propaganda machine. At the time it was easy to whip folks into a frenzy over a supposedly "unpatriotic" comment.

Voicing dissent is one of the most patriotic things a free person can do. Do I care what the Dixie Chicks said? No, I didn't like their music before or after so what they said had no bearing on my opinion of them. Do I think they had a right to say what they did? Sure as hell did. Did their ex-fans have a right to run over their CD's in a mall parking lot? Sure as hell did.

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“	Originally Posted By: Ben Grimm Who knows... I know very little about music. But I also don't like political views mixed with entertainment. It's so wrong.	”

You don't know much about music, then.

Mixing political views into entertainment (particularly music, but also literature, art and stage) has been done since Greek choruses ran around in masks on open-air stages, and probably well before then. For most of recorded history it was often the only way to voice any sort of dissent without being executed, and even then it didn't always work.

For example, satire as a form of literature was perfected by the English (and Irish) at a time of rampant social problems and oppressive government. "A Modest Proposal" is usually held up as one of the prime exhibits of the genre although it wasn't nearly as subversive as some.

It's only in America that people have, for over 200 years, been able to stand up and criticize their government with little fear of imprisonment or execution. I think it has caused entertainers to slip a bit, skill-wise -- heck, Elvis wouldn't even have to swing his hips around like he used to, these days he could just yell "that's right, I wanna F all of you!" and people would hardly blink.

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I know it has always been there. I'm a history enthusiast. But what I mean is that I don't like ultra left/right wing politics in my entertainment.

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Some very good posts SG!

But I gotta say I was offended by the Dixie chicks, but not so much because of what they said, but the context of where they said it.

They went off to some other country to bash the USA, but had not said such things before in US concerts. It was a cowardly backstab. If you are gonna speak out, have the guts to do it here first.

But running off to another country and siding with their views in some sort of suck up manner was a hit below the belt IMO.

And then they first backed off their statements, it took them a couple of months to stand up and say "yes that is what I think." Making all sorts of excuses (which were lies as later proven by them finally saying it WAS what they thought) just strengthened my low opinion of them.

Then again, I have never been a fan. Furthermore, their GREATEST offense EVER was that horrible version of Fleetwood Mac's "Landslide!"
One of the best songs ever totally butchered.

“	Originally Posted By: Sammygirl Yes but I'll forgive you IMO the Dixie Chicks got run over by a government propaganda machine. At the time it was easy to whip folks into a frenzy over a supposedly "unpatriotic" comment. Voicing dissent is one of the most patriotic things a free person can do. Do I care what the Dixie Chicks said? No, I didn't like their music before or after so what they said had no bearing on my opinion of them. Do I think they had a right to say what they did? Sure as hell did. Did their ex-fans have a right to run over their CD's in a mall parking lot? Sure as hell did.	”

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“	Originally Posted By: Sammygirl For example, satire as a form of literature was perfected by the English (and Irish) at a time of rampant social problems and oppressive government. "A Modest Proposal" is usually held up as one of the prime exhibits of the genre although it wasn't nearly as subversive as some.	”

Excellent work, love that piece! , gettin' hungry already!

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“	don't like ultra left/right wing politics in my entertainment.	”

I think it has to be very good entertainment to get away with it. Yeats came near to being a fascist at times but was a good enough writer to get away with it. Not many pop lyricists of Yeats' caliber around. IMO people like Dylan and Bragg get away with strong political statements because they're creating good entertainment it fits well with. Some one like Peter Garret (remember midnight oil?) struggles a bit more. The more strongly political the pop song the better it has to be get away with it and pop is generally more harmless fun than high quality.

What about people like Jarvis ****er? Songs like common people are political. I've always thought revolution is the best of the Beatles' tracks and that's built around a strong political message.

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