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The Difference Between Using Jing Or Strength/Power In Wu Shu

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If a person know how to attack using their entire bodys power focused into just one part of their body, then we say this person know how to Fa Jing, meaning Use Jing. In a fight most people can only use part of their limbs power; i.e. they punch by moving just their arm against their opponent. In Wu Shu we call this kind of partial power/strength Jruo Li or Dull Strength/Power. Everyone has the ability to use Jruo Li when fighting. It is only through special training that someone learns how to Fa Jing in a fight, making Jing is a unique offspring of Chinese Wu Shu.

Judging from the definition given, I have to disagree wholeheartedly with the assumption of power generation that CMAs refer to as "Fa Jing" is unique to CMAs. Although called by other names, it is found in boxing, kickboxing, Muay Thai and many styles of karate. I am sure it's also found in other styles that I am not experienced in.
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Fajin isn't even specific to martial arts, it happens in a lot of cases to untrained individuals when they need to fight for life, or withstand sudden impact (car accident). But fajin is not necessarily what people do on the outside, it is how the strength is generated in total, also on the biochemical part. And you may need certain attributes to be able to produce really large effects based on some of those parts. Regarding hormones, it's not only if you use them, but how much you have.
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We're not going to get into little old ladies lifting cars, or strange 'handball' tie-ins again, are we?
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We're not going to get into little old ladies lifting cars, or strange 'handball' tie-ins again, are we?

Jing is one's essence. I am a Baji Quan practitioner. I have noticed by watching my Shifu (Sifu in Cantonese) and also in myself, that when we are practing or sparring/fighting, etc. Our Jing rises and we become hot-headed. This is because we become more focussed. It doesn't makes us superbeings or able to toss cars, but it does make us somewhat stonger nonetheless. And no, I'm not one of those people who supports any sort of no touch KO or anything like that. So don't get any ideas about that.
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Jing is one's essence.

Personally, I feel that is a very esoteric definition and is really based on the lack of knowledge that was prevalent when the concept was named in CMAs. Basically, IMO, it's simply proper body mechanics.

I have noticed by watching my Shifu (Sifu in Cantonese) and also in myself, that when we are practing or sparring/fighting, etc. Our Jing rises and we become hot-headed. This is because we become more focussed.

What exactly do you mean by "hot-headed"?
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How's your zero-inch punch? One way to demonstrate fa jing is to place your palm, entire hand, not just finger tips, flat against an object: heavy bag, shoulder of someone with a wide stance, etc. Then, if you have fa jin, without pulling your hand away from the target, let's say a shoulder, you can pop a punch into/through the shoulder. This feels nothing like a push to the recipient. It feels like a punch. It's a whip-like snap that comes from, in part, having a very soft and relaxed body, good mechanics, lots of tai chi practice, a good teacher, etc. If you can do this zero inch punch that feels like a pop, like a punch, and not like a push, then you have fa jin from your art. If you can't, you don't. I've seen it in Ba Gua, Hsing Yi and Tai Chi. I haven't seen it in Wing Chun, Shaolin, Mi Jung Chuan, Karate, Judo, Jujitsu, Tae Kwon Do or Tukong Moosul.
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This is a pretty good example. See the snap in his shoulder strikes? See how the movements come from his entire body and snap like a whip? See how loosely he's holding his hands?

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If you have never seen that in karate, Muay Thai or boxing then you really should expose yourself to more things. There is a reason boxers are the most powerful punchers in the world.
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