Practicality of Releases and disarms

So in your own opinions, do you think doing a disarm or release against an adrenaline filled opponent, you can effectively disarm or release the opponent from you or his/her weapon and subdue or finish them? Which technique is your favorite? Which is your least?

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I was taught and believe that the only time you should do a disarm is when you have no choice. By that I mean I was taught that there is a difference between disarms and empty hand defense against a knife attack. I believe that you have a much better chance of not being harmed if you trap and injure a person with a knife, then if you go grabbing for the blade. Step to "zero" pressure, stay as far away from the blade as possible and start damaging delicate parts of the guys anatomy. Disarms have there place, I worked with juvenile delinguents for years and had to do a knife disarm twice. I wasn't gonna hurt a 16 year old kid in school. On the street I would have not taken the chance with my well being.

Depends On The Situation. Are You Talking About Diarming A Knife Or A Stick? Are You Armed With A Weapon? What Is The Level Of Skill Of The Opponent?

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Alvin Kan,

I was talking about a knife, but the same applies to the use of a stick. I pulled off a knife disarm twice when I had to against unskilled people who counted on the fact that the presence of the knife would be enough intimidate me (both presented the knife, then delivered an underhanded thrust/ angel #3). My experience has been that the more experieced the opponent the more unlikely a disarm is. Empty hand defense also becomes exponentially as unlikely, but I have been more successful at that, then disarms in uncooperative situations with skilled opponents. I was discussing empty hand disarms and defenses of course. I love to disarm an opponent if I have an iron-wood baston or my bolo. Literally, stepping back and "disarming" an opponent would be my first tactic of choice.

“	Originally Posted By: Alvin Kan Depends On The Situation. Are You Talking About Diarming A Knife Or A Stick? Are You Armed With A Weapon? What Is The Level Of Skill Of The Opponent?	”

Well you tell me! Can you disarm someone with no skills who's weilding a knife? stick? How about someone with skill, can you?! huh huh huh?!

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Disarms are not trivial actions.

If you are *trying* to pull off a disarm, it probably wont work. Disarms are areas of opportunity--they just happen, or you just happen to be in a position to be able to make it happen. As soon as you start trying to focus on, or force a disarm, you do yourself a disservice; like trying to chase a submission instead of abandoning it and doing what best fits the circumstances.

Maybe with someone who is not skilled, this may be easier, but my opinion is, always work to control. If a disarm presents itself, take it. If not, control.

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I think anyone can be disarmed, I think FMA stylists like to disarm so much because it is a way to demonstrate great skill. Empty had disarms require that you have a have a large technical advantage over the person with the weapon. Defending against a knife attack without a disarm is a stun and run (or stun and pull my gun) proposition. Far more likely for an aspiring arnisador like me. I cann't even disarm rizzo and he is only four feet tall.

“	Originally Posted By: Willow ...I cann't even disarm rizzo and he is only four feet tall.	”

Too funny!

I think disarms can be done against skilled or non-skilled. But I agree with Plum, they either happen, or you find yourself in a situation to do one. It has to be quick and percise, otherwise it doesn't work. The more skilled, the less options you will have to do one, but you can't abondon the thought either.

In any situation, control is the best method in my opinion, and like Plum had mentioned. It's like watching a jujitsu player working from their back, they control the top until the top moves into a position where they can use a submission that works for that angle. The don't try to pull them into a submission they want to use because it's their favorite one to do.

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I see your point the guy has to give you the opportunity for the disarm, and the more skilled you are the more options and opportunity you recongnize.

Do you train your folks in stick and knife retentions and do you teach conters to common disarms?

In our system yes, we teach retention, as well as counters. There can be a continous flow of counters. The idea is to counter a counter, and get into a dominate position to where another counter is not possible, by either off balancing or disabling the opponent some how.

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they work, most of them do work but not in the way most people teach them. this is one of those kinds of techniques you have to hurt your opponent to make it work. sticks and knifes do not just "pop" out how many people teach it.

I agree with ironsifu about the hurt the opponent to make the execution of the disarm easier my guru used to safe "tenderize" the steak before you eat it. Everybody has a plan till they get hit, right!

SOFTENING! we call that softening, used right before we change from striking situation to grappling, or changing direction in a wrestling match. its a good strategy.

“	Originally Posted By: ironsifu SOFTENING! we call that softening, used right before we change from striking situation to grappling, or changing direction in a wrestling match. its a good strategy.	”

My instructor likes to demonstrate 'disarms' with practicality. First disarm is slashing/smashing the hand/wrist/arm.

Then that weapons strip may come a little easier. But that's pekiti tirsia for yah.

“	Originally Posted By: PlumDragon Disarms are not trivial actions. If you are *trying* to pull off a disarm, it probably wont work. Disarms are areas of opportunity--they just happen, or you just happen to be in a position to be able to make it happen.	”

Nicely put! You should never "look", or "try", to disarm someone. If an opportunity. You should practice disarms so that if the opprotunity arises, you will have more success in doing it.

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