Marijuana from a martial arts perspective?

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sunwu : !"all true - but the question is relevant to MA, not having a good time."

you dont enjoy your training ?

sunwu : "As for focus, I think that's bogus. I have trained stoned, and while it was interesting, it's not the same as training clean. Try training after an hour and a half of zazen, and compare the results...LOL."

i am not saying that you should JUST train when stoned

just that i have had benefit from doing so

esp chi sau

personally i like to train after doing SLT for half an hour

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“	Originally Posted By: Wingnut you dont enjoy your training ?	”

I love my training, it's not the same as being out on the biscuits in a club is it?

“	Originally Posted By: Wingnut i am not saying that you should JUST train when stoned	”

I'm not saying that's what you're saying

“	Originally Posted By: Wingnut just that i have had benefit from doing so	”

I appreciate the angle you're coming from Wingy, you're treading the path of a mystic, and this is up to you - drugs certainly reveal certain mind states to you that you may otherwise remain unaware of for a whole lifetime. I'm glad I did acid/shrooms when I was younger (among others) - they showed me a great deal, opened my mind - very mystical experiences (I'm sure you'll understand). It was perhaps those experiences that led to subsequent interests in meditation and so forth. At the time, I felt that LSD usage should be on the school syllabus! I figured that as much as the body needs food, the brain needs drugs.


This thread, however, is specifically about the use of cannabis in MA. Perhaps it helps you, but I think the cons in this case generally outweigh the pros. What about being stoned while doing yoga? Or while meditating? Pretty interesting I'm sure, but it's not really the point of the practice. Same with MA. It might help you get "flowing", but the point of training is to flow naturally. If you make it easy, is that good training? What about sitting on a stool while training your stances?

For me, it's about training the mind and body so it's default settings are optimum (or at least as near as I can get). There's plenty of time outside of training to get high if that's your bag - or you could try something really alternative, don't get high - try life unfiltered.

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sunwu : "If you make it easy, is that good training? What about sitting on a stool while training your stances? "

well for some people they have no idea of flow from an internal point

marijuana can be helpful here

thats all

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“	Originally Posted By: SunWuKung It might help you get "flowing", but the point of training is to flow naturally. If you make it easy, is that good training? What about sitting on a stool while training your stances?	”

“	Originally Posted By: SunWuKung it's about training the mind and body so it's default settings are optimum	”

I understand what you're saying and I don't think anyone should use it for training long term. I agree about flowing naturally and being at a level 'without' the influence of drugs.
But it does help you 'feel' and gain quite an understanding initially which is a lot of help. And if you can learn to acheive the same through meditation, for example, that would be great in the long run.

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“	Originally Posted By: Mei Hua Woody is a little instigator.	”

nah, sorry, I ain't buying it.

IMO, it weed has no place in MA, nor do I think many instructors or masters would appreciate you turning up with a touch of redeye, and those that I know can spot the stoners a mile off when they do turn up - because contrary to what's being said here, they can't focus.

Moreover, I doubt those who took the time to train hard enough to originate a style would have commended weed as a training aid. There are far more benign (and effective) exercises that teach a student how to flow and don't require mind altering drugs.

Still, those who enjoy a puff will find a reason to justify their habit and continue regardless, so it's academic. I'm not particularly keen on weed, not out of snobbery, just out of necessity - but there's a time and a place.

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“	Originally Posted By: SunWuKung nah, sorry, I ain't buying it. IMO, it weed has no place in MA, nor do I think many instructors or masters would appreciate you turning up with a touch of redeye, and those that I know can spot the stoners a mile off when they do turn up - because contrary to what's being said here, they can't focus. Moreover, I doubt those who took the time to train hard enough to originate a style would have commended weed as a training aid. There are far more benign (and effective) exercises that teach a student how to flow and don't require mind altering drugs. Still, those who enjoy a puff will find a reason to justify their habit and continue regardless, so it's academic. I'm not particularly keen on weed, not out of snobbery, just out of necessity - but there's a time and a place.	”

Being a stoner and turning up for practice stoned week in week out, I'm not saying that's a good thing at all. There's a difference.
As I explained on the first page, I used it for a short time. During which time I gained an incredible understanding of 'feeling', of flow, and discovered relationships in movement I never saw existed before.
True I could have 'maybe' gone about it via more accepted methods, but this was best for me at the time.

As I've said I haven't been interested in smoking since. And I've never turned up for practice 'stoned', what I did was in my own time.

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“	Originally Posted By: Mei Hua Woody is a little instigator.	”

It's place is in medical usage.

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That's but one option, it originated as a recreational drug and that's it's mainstay.

It can be used for medicinal purposes, it can be used as a psychotropic, it can be used as a relaxant, for meditative properties, it's a versatile drug, the government would do better to produce and regulate it to make money than what they're doing now.

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I tend to agree with you

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“	Originally Posted By: Mei Hua That's but one option, it originated as a recreational drug and that's it's mainstay. It can be used for medicinal purposes, it can be used as a psychotropic, it can be used as a relaxant, for meditative properties, it's a versatile drug, the government would do better to produce and regulate it to make money than what they're doing now.	”

I agree

And apparently those who smoke cigarettes, 15-20 a day are doing far more damage than those who just smoke a bit of weed at the weekend.

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“	Originally Posted By: Mei Hua Woody is a little instigator.	”

Drugs of that sort have been used in China for almost as long as MA has been around and knowing someone who has train at the Bejing Inst. for Wushu who par-took in budd while he was there its still a staple in Chinese culture. Not only that but most of them smoked about a pack and a half of cigs a day. It all comes down to can you function and learn while blizzts or are you a dead head that can't wipe his/her own butt while floating.

Welcome to the List SpearHead79

You should make an intro post in the Newcomers forum and properly introduce yourself

You've made some good posts so far, look forward to more of your involvement

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“	Originally Posted By: SpearHead79 knowing someone who has train at the Bejing Inst. for Wushu who par-took in budd while he was there its still a staple in Chinese culture.	”

Marijuana is most definately NOT a staple of Chinese culture, and your friend is very, very, very lucky he didn't get caught holding while he was there. Consequences can be quite dire.

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I could think of a million better things to do in Japan for a month besides jumping off of picnic tables. - x893

I didn't say Mary Jane inparticular, but drugs of that nature have been around, not only in China but around the world, for longer than can be recorded. Native Americans, tribes in continents from here to there, all have there thing. It is quite possible that a drug that is same in nature as Mary could have helped the origanal MA's get such a deep understanding of how energy moves and reacts to the body and their surrounding