Chang Ming - Taoist Long Life Diet

“	Originally Posted By: john100 How do the people on this diet manage it	”

By simplifying one's life.

Daoist principle - everyday, you lose something...

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“	everyday, you lose something...	”

The only 'simplications' left for me are train less or give up working... Can't I win a little thing one day - like the lottery - in order to lose a lot (my career)

Oh well, I'm unemployed from the middle of next month so I'll be able to stay up late after eating and kip in the middle of the day to make up for it.

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You just have to cook your meals with a little restrain regarding very fat ingredients (like cheese, on pizza). If you take the typical chinese food you get in western restaurants, that is, if you don't simply eat a lot more than you can congest, easily good enough to eat going to bed an hour later. I get problems when eating either very fat sauces with pasta (a little cream is no problem), or a pizza with lots of cheese on it, around 10 or later. Then I feel full the whole night, and don't sleep very good. If you just cook a little more reasonable, and keep the portion normal, you can eat at 10 and go to bed at 12 without this problem. You should eat the main meal in the middle of the day, or more than 3 smaller meals. Just the main concern is that people eat simply too much, late. I often eat late in the evening, but when it's just a soup, and some bread, no problem. When I overeat, taking the whole thing the chinese restaurant puts you on the table, then I am full whatever time of day I do this. I resorted to eating only half of it, taking the other half with me to eat it the next day.


BTW, the best thing to eat for me is a greek apperitif plate with a lot of different stuff (fried paprika, rice, fried obergines, taramas=caviar paste, zaziki=joghurt paste, mild large pepperoni), together with a good amount of bread.

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I mostly do yoga in the evenings so the rules are three hours after a light meal, two hours after a snack, one after anything noticeable like a banana... I find even a reasonable lunch (more than a sandwich and a flapjack) a problem when training comes round... I just eat light, go to bed about 45 min later, and then eat like a horse and slob around after training Sun morning.

It works way better for me than stressing about getting food into me before a deadline.

“	taking the whole thing the chinese restaurant puts you on the table	”

There's clearly more of you than there is of me! Either that or my local takeaway is unusally generous. More than half is over eating for me, the full thing has never happened.

I don't get the limited red meat thing either, to be honest. I tried it for a while but I feel much better with regular intake of organic steak.

What about eating before external training Cyclists seem to do nothing but eat during the winter - a tin of rice pudding before the evening ride and snacks the whole time they're out. How come they feel ok doing that and martial artists can't face training within two hours of eating

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I think maybe they dont commute. I would HATE to commute.

my body tells when to eat and when not to

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“	Originally Posted By: aqira my body tells when to eat and when not to	”

mine tells me to drink JD in the morning...
not a good idea

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The portion of your above post relating to MS is very interesting to me. Most of my life, I have been a night person. I always get a burst of energy between 10pm and 12midnight. So this may have something to do with me having MS This is VERY interesting to me. Maybe I should force myself to change my habits.
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Have you been on night shifts regularly I would see a slight possibility that your energy burst at night is the outcome of your inner awareness, that night time means danger, and you have to be EXTREMELY alert during this time. Your protection instinct raises your metabolism then, to always have maximum reaction speed.

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Yes, I worked night shift for many years. Now that I am retired, I still have the same habits.
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Hmmm - another one.

My neighbor just found out he has MA last month - affecting his eye - guess what - NIGHT SHIFT.

Another friend worked for an arsenal - developed fibermyalgia a couple years ago - all kinds of aches and pains along medirian lines - guess what - swing shift...


So yeah - repatternning sleep is VERY important. We have an internal clock - the Daoist were very aware of it. People go into puberty at a certain time/age, menstrate, menopause, people get depressed without enough sunlight etc. We have an internal day/year clock. TCM addresses it. Women and men are on differnt cycles. men on 7 year, women on 6, I believe. Not to mention different organs function at peak performance at certain times.

So that's where the chi gung comes in - working certain organs at certain times...

Make sense to me - no

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Did you mean MS and not MA When I first started having many symptoms of the MS, I lost sight in my left eye. Dx'd as optic neuritus. Optic neuritus is one of the often related symptoms of ms. Was tough, I was in a high speed chase and only had sight in my right eye. But the optic neuritus went away. Good thing because when I lost an eye due to a gun shot, it was my rt one.
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well the part about the organs slowing at night is medicaly true though there are other facters that make a person a morning person or night person...as far as internal clocks its very related to the age process. Each person has common changes or life phase but each person also has an internal timer so they will age based on that.

Allan said something about sunlight and that is an important fact not that it requires much sun light but a person needs it every day.

There is no one rule fits all as humans have many factors that add to what happens to people. Genes are at the top of the list but little can be done about that yet.

As far as Taoist diets I have seen several of them over the years I use to care about things like that and spent a lot of time balanceing yin yang foods herbs special tintures and mixes etc...
the results I think were mixed and think a person can do as well with just eating good natural food staying away from sugar, working out within reason (though I over did that for a few years) and doing things in moderation.

My wife has been very into yoga for many years and follows some sort of long life diet with blends of things she has worked out over the years they are certain formulas I don't understand that much about it shes the one in the medical profession.
But in her mid to late 30's she was still getting carded at the door at nightclubs and at 53 she still looks 30 people are always shocked when they find out shes a grandmother

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Yes, MS, Fuzzy.

Aqira - I don't sweat that stuff as well. I eat anything and everything.

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I have some diagrams of the organ and general peak energy times according to Chinese Medicine if anyone's interested:

Daily variations
Organ clock
Seasonal variations

The organ clock shows peak energy times but if you're ill then the opposite may be of more interest, ie the low points. You might want to take into consideration Daylight saving time too.

The seasonal one applies to the Northern hemisphere btw.

Energy starts off very yang in springtime when our energy system awakens after the winter hibernation. When summer comes it switches off a bit and becomes yin towards midsummer because there is much more energy available from the environment and better quality foodstuffs are available, then come Autumn it becomes yang again. When winter comes the Energy becomes depleted and turns yin but as midwinter approaches the system has to switch itself onto yang for a while to compensate for the winter's cold, then it becomes yin again until the spring.

You will notice that people become more active as the weather warms up until it becomes so hot that they become inactive, in winter they become inactive as it gets colder but then they have to become more active when it's really cold in order to keep warm..

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