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August 4th, 2005, 03:14 AM
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Hi, that pretty much sums up my question.
I used creatine when weightlifting and found it useful. But my goals were different.
But I remember it helped with the speed of recovery towards sore muscles. I am contemplating trying it now and would appreciate any opinions of using it for martial arts practice.
thanks,
-aaradia
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August 4th, 2005, 03:23 AM
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But I remember it helped with the speed of recovery towards sore muscles. I am contemplating trying it now and would appreciate any opinions of using it for martial arts practice. | ” | |
same in MA practice
many people use it
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August 4th, 2005, 01:02 PM
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Rep Power: 37 | | | “ | But I remember it helped with the speed of recovery towards sore muscles. I am contemplating trying it now and would appreciate any opinions of using it for martial arts practice. | ” | |
If you search on latest research on this topic... Endurance trainers like Us(martial artists) have higher need for protien requirements.. That's why I've been preaching a higher Protien requirements whenever this topic is discussed.
So I'd say that You should go ahead n tkae creatine.. but just forget loading n stuffing :P ...You need not do all those things you do in bodybuilding,
so you can be more relax in taking creatine..
You can even take small amount on daily basis..
alternatively you can increase your natural protein consumption...
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August 4th, 2005, 02:01 PM
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Rep Power: 21 | | | the question I have to pose is when does taking sup's like creatine become a mental issue ... like "can I continue without creating" and how will it effect the training when you cycle off ( because constant use isn't healthy) I think that hard training and continous training along with eating healthy, will help the recovery of sore and growing muscles ... conditioning ... is what it'll come down to eventually ... I agree with TKD's protein intake and lots of water ... also some EFA (Essential Fatty Acids) intake, I would recommend, but that's why we train constantly ... the muscles will get use to it ... if you want alot of muscle growth then definetly go back to the gym and use creatine ... |
August 5th, 2005, 01:32 PM
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if you've ever tried creatine you'll *know* about the results...
it'll make you stronger
it'll make you recover faster after workouts...
although I agree that you should always start with eating well...
if you get enough protein and fuel then you will get the max outta your creatine use as well....
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August 5th, 2005, 01:50 PM
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Rep Power: 21 | | | I agree ... I've use creatine ... cell tech (which is awesome) ... but I know of some people when they cycle off they're mentally weak ... they can't do anything without ... So as long as it's used properly ... go for it ... but don't forget ... don't use fat burners with it because they will counter act each other ... creatine - retains water ... fat burners - decrease water in muscles. Drink lots and eat lots.
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August 5th, 2005, 02:00 PM
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but I know of some people when they cycle off they're mentally weak ... they can't do anything without ... | ” | |
that's soooo stupid...
if you do a creatine "cure" right you'll benefit for a long time from it...
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August 5th, 2005, 02:07 PM
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Rep Power: 21 | | | I agree ... not me personally, don't have that problem but I was stating about the people I have encountered. |
August 5th, 2005, 02:59 PM
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Rep Power: 13 | | | I highly recommend taking creatine. I have been taking creatine for a while and i love the benefits. Creatine helps the cells in the muscle retain water which in turn helps the muscles recover more quickly. but creatine doesn't work well if you do not take in the proper amounts of water depending on your work out regimine. I try to drink a gallon a day during hard work out sessions while taking creatine. Also creatine can make you a little bloated which can make you feel slow and sluggish so be aware of that. It may be something you wouldn't want to take prior to a tournament or something. |
August 5th, 2005, 07:49 PM
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Rep Power: 37 | | yday I almost wrote a post on protien as long as any research paper.. but my pc crashed.. ah...it's 5:24am rite now.. n I don't think I'd be able to write on that again  http://easy-weight-loss.blogspot.com...hat-works.html
an article by tom venuto on this
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August 6th, 2005, 01:16 AM
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Rep Power: 86 | | Ok then, I picked up some powdered creatine and will start tomorrow! Thanks all! TDK Warrior, thanks in particular- because I was going to ask about loading and forgot! I am so happy to not have to do that. It is a royal pain!
Since you brought up protein, I was wondering if protein needs are similar to bodybuilding or less? I know all the standard body building formulas for protein intake, but not for MA!
Exellent site BTW, I have started looking through it!  Shr_FuERIC, anything can become a crutch, so certainly I think there is a danger for some people to rely too heavily on supplements. But I have never had an addictive personality.
I look at supplements as a tool, just like the right Kung Fu shoes or a kicking bag. Nice to have- helps out- but not necessary.
Science is learning more and more about human potential.  I have no problem taking advantage of it. That's my take on it anyways.......
-aaradia
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August 6th, 2005, 01:33 AM
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Rep Power: 37 | | | “ | thanks in particular- because I was going to ask about loading and forgot! I am so happy to not have to do that. It is a royal pain! | ” | |
man so bad luck.. Y'day I writing on my blog on exact this topic. It was quite a long post cuz I was discussing it with quite details.. but my pc crashed  ... I have to write it again... well I'll do it but Rite now I m quite tired..
this is where I discuss why you should take protien.. http://get-fit-with-tkdwarrior.blogs...in-or-not.html http://easy-weight-loss.blogspot.com/ Check out the Anti aging article.. more on taking creatine. I got that part from Tom Venuto's newsletter.. It was quite good.
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August 6th, 2005, 01:35 AM
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that's how it should be... 
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August 6th, 2005, 09:40 AM
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Rep Power: 21 | | | that's great that it will never pose a problem for you ... you should ... to build on your current muscle mass take in your body weight converted into grams of protein ... ie you weigh 180 pds take in 180 grams per day of protein... good results ... try stacks like nitro tech ... costly but great results ... |
August 6th, 2005, 03:49 PM
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Rep Power: 86 | | | Thats pretty much the same protein intake as for bodybuilding- ok. I know all those formulas. I just wasn't sure if the intake requirement was less for MA's.
I mean the goal was building muscle then, this is for maintaining enough energy and decreasing the recovery time for muscle soreness.
-aaradia
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