Orgasmic... I mean organic

“	Originally Posted By: Dragonette LOL!! So I even switched those up to Winston’s because they are supposedly 100% tobacco no additives.	”

that's like ordering the diet coke with your super sized big mac!

Those pesticides are really something to look out for. I'm always suspicious when fruit doesn't taste sweet. Where I come from most of the fruit ripens in transport or in the store and it tastes like crap. They have even isntalled red lights over the fruit sections so the fruit will look fresher... untill you're at the cashier. It's been years since I tasted a sweet orange or watermelon. I take it as a general rule that if the fruit looks like crap, they've used less pesticide and it is most likely tastier.
Those hormones they feed cattle and chicken have a tendency to stack up at the top of the foodchain. That's bad news for some of us. Has anybody noticed how some americans have large bottom jaws and strong facial features? I'm guessing that's due to steroids and growth hormones.

Facial features? Not really. Look back at pics from 50,100 years ago & many Americans had the same facial features. They weren't 300 lbs. of lard, though.

What's really telling about our diet is how the very poor across our society, all of whom are given similar subsistence coupons and are guided toward the same types of foods, have the highest rates of obesity and related diseases. Even though the food stamp program allows the poor to buy organic foods & most healthy foods, a report in the Boston Globe last year showed that very few have access to healthy foods. The price drives them away too -- the well-publicized stunt by a congressman last year who subsisted for 2 weeks on the average food allowance of $20. He could not afford enough healthy food to sustain him; he had to buy cheap bulk products like Velveeta to fill his stomach.

Plus we've got problems with the "organic" label, as the regulations are pretty broad and rarely enforced.

Here in Mass. there is an association of local farmers who hold markets across the state during the growing season. So I can get locally grown, organic produce (and this year, meat/poultry from a local provider) about once a week. They also are able to accept food stamps, and most have opportunities for people to volunteer to staff tables in return for a crate of groceries. It's pretty nice -- I'd forgotten what apples actually taste like. But the prices are still higher than someone on subsistence would be willing to pay.

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my grandfather used to call that "the obesity of the poor".

I use to be a homecare worker for child welfare. While at these homes, I noticed that their grocery shopping was done from the closest 7-11 store.
Chef Boyardi canned pasta & sauce,
Boxed Mac & cheese
pre packaged snack cakes,
smokes,
Coca Cola.
They were never taught how to cook real food or how to shop for ingredients.
This wastes tonnes of money and is really bad for you.

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Yep, and all of that except for the smokes is allowed by the food stamp program. So no reason for them to go further down the road.

Now, WIC vouchers are a little bit different but they are mainly for mothers with infants/small children. On the voucher is a list of the exact product and amount they can buy, no more, no less. Mainly to make sure infants get proper nutrition (if you can call soy formula proper nutrition, but that's a whole other topic).

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I miss dragonette she was pretty cool. Wonder whos going on in her life nowadays.

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You would think that healthcare workers would be good at diett but in my experience they seldom do. I've been working with autistic kids and there is very little emphasis on what they eat, and I think that is how it is in most places.

“	Originally Posted By: GuiLongUmar I miss dragonette she was pretty cool. Wonder whos going on in her life nowadays.	”

x2

I did get an email every once and a while...
but that has been a while as well...

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“	Originally Posted By: Elements You would think that healthcare workers would be good at diett but in my experience they seldom do. I've been working with autistic kids and there is very little emphasis on what they eat, and I think that is how it is in most places.	”

fish oil is HUGE! i just heard about a study that showed fish oil was more effective at regulating behavior in children with ADHD than ritalen.

From what I've heard from healthcare professionals that has diett as theire field a lot can be done by changing the diett. That is also consistent with acupuncture theory, and is pretty obvious for most people I think. It is really frustrating having your hands tied because someone in an administration doesn't care or don't have time. In this case it is not about the money, it's about getting the information. The lack of clinical trials is because of money though.
I think in the fish oil the effect is mainly due to the fatty acids which are really beneficial for particular clinincal groups. It's also readily available. Another tip, for everybody, would be to cut the milk(which has really bad fatty acids), and maybe also wheat products and sugar.

What's weird is, I read an article on that study more than a year ago, and have seen little or nothing touted since.

I agree that it would have a tremendous effect on those whose diets are limited to processed starches and sugar drinks (which these days seems to be the majority of Americans, sadly).

Years ago when my brothers & I were absolutely wild kids (today we'd be so doped up on Ritalin we wouldn't know our own names), my mother changed the family's diet to whole grains (and when I say whole I mean, she ground the wheat herself and most other grains too), removed all sugar from the house, banned most oils (olive oil was difficult to get & expensive so safflower & canola had to do), bought milk untreated from the local dairy, and started a vegetable garden.

She didn't have to work back then, so she actually had time to pursue the elusive healthy diet for us. Anyway, the effect on our behavior was pronounced. We were still little hellions but the edge was off -- our grades went up, we had fewer "emotional meltdowns," we didn't catch colds as much, and our dental bills all went down.

It was tremendous hard work to get food as close to nature as possible, even 30 years ago. Today, with the FDA up everybody's wazoo, it's damn near impossible. For example, you can't just go to a dairy and ask for fresh milk because the farmer would be arrested. So now there are clandestine "in-the-know" networks where one can get milk, but only that which is produced off the books because the USDA tracks output.

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goats milk can be bought raw direct from the farmer, but tastes a bit bitter.

<Another tip, for everybody, would be to cut the milk(which has really bad fatty acids), and maybe also wheat products and sugar.>

True dat.
For the past 2 weeks I eliminated ALL flour, dairy, sugar and booze.
I was astonished to see my chronic hayfever disappear. (Along with a few pounds). Now I have to find a balance I can live with 'cause I likes my beer!

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“	Another tip, for everybody, would be to cut the milk(which has really bad fatty acids), and maybe also wheat products and sugar	”

Unpasturised milk = TB risk. Three people I know very well have had TB in the last 4 years and I wouldn't take the risk.

Cutting milk is a bit of a fad thing. The number of people genuinely unable to deal with it is relatively small. When it comes to developing a tempory intolerance due to over exposure cutting it down/out can help but has to be balanced with the fact the body often simply finds something else to object to. The same goes for wheat.

Wheat gets a bad press because of the kind of wheat products most people eat.

Sugar? Most people eat way too much of it.

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