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I have quite a bit of knowledge on dieting and nutrition, so where possible I'll add to what other people say since I don't know quite what knowledge to put forward.

“	Originally Posted By: Inferus I have quite a bit of knowledge on dieting and nutrition, so where possible I'll add to what other people say since I don't know quite what knowledge to put forward.	”

let's start with how and what you eat yourself...

Chief108

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I just realised.. i have a STICKY POST! YEAH!

My main purpose is to aim to eat as much protein as I can, but not to go out of my way to doing so, nor do i totally avoid foods.

Normally, in a day I have a small breakfast such as toast. I don't want to be bloated in the morning!

For lunch I'll normally have sandwiches consisting of a meat product or cheese. Good for protein, and the bread provides the carbs I'll need for a workout. If I'm still hungry, I'll normally go for another meat-product such as a pie. Granted there is fat and carbs in this, but like I said it's just the protein I want.

For dinner I normally have proper meals, and if not I'll go for a protein meal. Tomorrow evening as an example I'll probably have chicken breast steaks on burger buns. This is just to load up on protein before I go training.

Now I know that this diet isn't perfect, it isn't meant to be. I don't want to eat straight protein all day. I enjoy my food as it is now, and it works for me.

Exercise wise, I do quite a lot of walking around and jogging. I'm not a particularly good runner, but I'm not incapable of pushing say a mile. I train my gung fu for an hour and a half twice a week, but also teach the childrens class for also an hour, so 2 and a half in total. I'm also looking to join a gym, and will occasionally focus my workout at home on specific muscles, like the abs or biceps.

I'm not physically huge, but I'm beginning to tone up really good. My abs are approaching a 6 pack and my thighs are becoming very muscular indeed. I can feel my strength increasing every week I train, my flexibility when warming up and my speed when performing techniques.

I know my diet could be much better, I need to eat far more protein. But like I said, I'm happy with my figure as it is going now, so why change?

I try to have something like:

Breakfast - bowl of fruit and fibre

Lunch - normally a sandwich

Couple of pieces of fruit an hour later

Dinner - meal with carbs, veg and protein

+ lots of water, glucosamine for achy joints, teaspoon of locally made honey for hayfever (meant to build tolerance to allergens), very little fat or sweets (have been slacking on that last one - mmmm chocolate biscuits )

Anyone have any opinions on 'You Are What You Eat' by Gillian McKeith which has been popular in the UK? Have heard doubts on her credentials.

I read some stuff in her book on digesting food properly - she suggests chewing your food till it's like liquid (makes sense I think, sometimes you can see you haven't digested sweetcorn properly if you know what I mean!), eating fruit on it's own, drinking seperately, and even that you shouldn't eat carbs and protein at the seem time!! She reckons the stomach doesn't digest as well with different food types mixed up in there. Tried this for a while but it's a pain in the as*, I still have fruit and drink seperately to other food.

It's true I think. If you put in loads of protein at once, then your body will be using just a lot of Protease enzymes, so near enough all of the protein will go. If you have carbs in as well as the protein, you have a mix of enzymes which would cause food of both types to not be digested.

This is just an assumption, not scientific!

I doubt it, especially because of tradition. I mean, modern science is great, certainly brought lots of advancements, but come on. Can you imagine Neanderthals or homo erectus taking the time to separate food and drink? They ate what they had, at the same time and even if you eat only a steak, for example, it still contains all the food groups, proteins, lots of fat and a few carbs. And to go back to my ancient human example, they were a lot stronger and had to do much harder things than most of us have to do and stil managed to survive.
As for the mix of enzymes, sounds interesting, but I can't quite agree. One of the main points would be the different stages of digestion. Carbs are digested in your mouth and small intestine, while most of the protein and fat digestion goes on in your stomach, etc. And even though the enzymes do mix, there is only one substrate (I hope that's an english term, means something like target for the enzyme) which fits in it's active center, so they don't really get in each others way. I might be wrong, but usually, I pay attention all of the time in biology classes.

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“	but come on. Can you imagine Neanderthals or homo erectus taking the time to separate food and drink? They ate what they had	”

They ate what they had - exactly why they may well have ended up eating one (or at least less) food group at a time, and could explain why the modern stomach is more efficient at digesting stuff seperately.... that is, if this is true.

Sure a lot of food contains fat, carbs and protein but it's not like there isn't a marked difference between steak and potato, mmmm steak...

Also, let's not forget that "modern man" has a VASTLY improved lifespan compared to our Neanderthal and Homo Erectus counter parts.

I'm sure they didn't take the time to separate their foods and drink, just as I'm sure that many of them didn't live to the age of the average DL member.

This most likely had more to do with how they lived and what they eat than how they ate.

-hz

Yeah, sure, we have a higher lifespan. But I don't think the average Dlist member regularly fights bears, elefants, sleeps in the open, has fights with members of opposing tribes, but does have good access to doctors, antibiotics, desinfectants. The main reason we live longer is that we don't do extremly hard and dangerous physical labor every day, don't die from a broken leg or a scratch on our hand that infects itself, and are so high on the top of the food chain we don't even have to hunt our food anymore, we can pick it up in the local supermarket, and the supplier takes it out of it's pen and kills it quickly and without resistance.
I do consider it a valid point that there might only have been one foodgroup present, and that could make the digestion of one food more efficient. It shouldn't, however, make it harder to digest several foods at once, because then it would make it worse if you find lots of food instead of better.

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“	Originally Posted By: hazmat I'm sure they didn't take the time to separate their foods and drink, just as I'm sure that many of them didn't live to the age of the average DL member. This most likely had more to do with how they lived and what they eat than how they ate. -hz	”

I think that's the key point of your post, and it's a part I would fully agree with in this context. The average Dlist member is probably never confronted with a life threating situation, the average Neanderthal might have been almost every day. And lets not forget that with modern medicine, a cold is a simple nuisance. Only 300 years ago, there was a large chance it would kill you. So, what might be an inconvenience to us could be a death sentence for a Neanderthal.

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I posted these in another thread, but I'll add them here too. I think it's really good info.

energy balance
Lean Eatin' part 1
Lean Eatin' part 2

As for me, and what I eat, I'm pretty habitual by nature. When I get in a groove, I stay there for a while. When I change something, it usually becomes a new groove.

Breakfast is usually 5 egg whites and 1 whole egg - I want the protein, but not all the fat and cholesterol. But just whites is kind of funny tasting. I like the smoothness that one yolk adds.
And some oatmeal. It's yummy, and gets some good carbs after a night's rest.
And of course, a proper cuppa tea. I lived with a Welsh guy for a while, and ever since I've been hooked hardcore on good black tea.

I usually eat several small meals through out the day, usually high protein with some sort of raw veggies (tomatoes, cukes, lettuce, etc). I'll cook up several hamburger patties, or chicken breasts so I have easy access to pre-cooked food in the fridge. Then I can grab and go without needing to worry about cooking. Cans of tuna are awesome. And Muscle Milk meal replacement shakes are amazing! They taste great, have high protein, low carbs, and good fats. Try this site for good deals on suppliments. I've used them several times (here in the US) and the price can't be beat.

At night I usually eat something I cook with beef, chicken, pork, or fish as the main protein. Then I'll have a salad or some other cooked veggie with it. Sometimes I'll eat some quinoa or beans.

I also eat nuts, peanut butter sandwiches, and at times chocolate. I drink mostly water, but a lot of tea, more Red Bull than I should, and the occasional beer.

That's my current groove, anyway.

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Hey folks, wow this topic has moved on a little bit but not too much! (damn, i hoped for awesome popularity, we need that "Latest posts" thing on the front page again)

so then, thought i'd do a little Beginners thing on saturates, and what makes them saturated, and why they are bad.

http://amos.indiana.edu/library/scripts/fat.html

And something FAR more vital that EVERYONE needs to know!

The refined carb, and why it sucks! Along with other carbohydrate information!

http://www.medical-library.net/sites...nutrition.html

Carbohydrates come in three basic forms: simple, refined, and complex. Simple carbs are one, two, or at most three units of sugar linked together in single molecules. Refined carbs are made of flour so that means foods like pastries, breads, and pastas. Flour has been stripped of its cellulose (fiber) and almost all of its nutritional value. Simple and refined carbs are referred to as“empty calories.” These calories require vitamins and minerals to be metabolized, but supply none of those requirements. Thus they drain the body of stored nutrients. Refined carbs are hundreds or thousands of sugar units linked together in single molecules.

read the whole thing!

Current favourate snack is cashew nuts and raisins. Can eat a handful an hour or so before training without feeling ill...

Can't argue for the raisins being much more than easy energy but the cashew nuts are good: http://sport.guardian.co.uk/news/sto...558931,00.html, http://www.nutritiondata.com/facts-001-02s02dz.html

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heh... the pyramid is only talking about eating properly ... isn't that commen sense ...
those who want to lose weight I'd suggest the above links by drop360 on Lean eating and energy balance. it's good info for info junkiies.

I'd suggest you to read all the articles by John berardi www.t-nation.com on weight loss, eating to understand... but Dont just read DO IT.

chief, I know your cheat diet lasts almost a week... so theres no way you gonna get those results

-TkdWarrior-

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