good sources of protien for vegetarians?

@TKD: The place I'm basing my information on is the exact site you posted. 0.6g/kg suffice for MAINTENANCE. Meaning, if you eat that much you won't start burning muscle for amino acids. Which does not mean you can perform much better with more.
@Kinetsu: Yes, I used extreme examples. But the point still stands. That is not big. The guy may outlift me, but I'm sure his biceps isn't much larger than mine. Also, Furey is natural and much bigger. Heck, go to any site that offers workouts and exercises and check out some pics. There are guys bigger than him on Mens Health, which is more about being ripped than huge, and also natural.

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right, thanks guys! I'll have a look out for whey protien - haven't really spotted it in shops before

“	Originally Posted By: chief108 nuts rule also are good for your testosterone levels... Chief108	”

nuts for nuts?

“	Originally Posted By: simon preuss hey everybody as the title says, can anyone suggest good vegetarian sources of protien?	”

Natto!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

an acquired taste, so I've heard - also I don't think its in too many stores near me..

Unkotare
I have tried several times to get some to try as I know how good it actually is for you BUT I have not been able to get it here.

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“	Originally Posted By: fuzzy30 Unkotare I have tried several times to get some to try as I know how good it actually is for you BUT I have not been able to get it here. Jeff(fuzzy30)	”

http://www.asianfoodgrocer.com/index...OD&ProdID=2594

“	Originally Posted By: simon preuss an acquired taste, so I've heard - also I don't think its in too many stores near me..	”

Where are you, generally?

"As it's been descussed before, you're not going to find any propper protien in veggies. Not only are the amino acids not able to break down propperly, but from what i understand, non-animal protien doesn't even contain the full spectrum of amino acids found in animal protien"

“	Originally Posted By: MotjClan Hey I'm just going off of the information that I got from a Semi-pro body builder who also happens to be a doctor and writes for a body building magazine, what does he know!?	”

This is complete misinformation. There are 9 essential amino acids for the human diet, all of which can be found in non-meat products. The trick is combining them, and this is really not as hard to do as some meat-eating bodybuilders would have you believe (for example, beans combined with rice provides all the amino acids needed, in the same quantity as most meat. Lentils provide 9 grams of protein per serving, similar to chicken). Soy itself is a complete protein, with all 9 essential amino acids (just like meat). In terms of protein, vegetarian is just as valid a diet as being a carnivore. In terms of unhealthy fat, it is unquestionably more healthy. Those are the facts.

“	Originally Posted By: Unkotare Where are you, generally?	”

I'm in central/southwest England - Wiltshire is the county

“	Originally Posted By: simon preuss I'm in central/southwest England - Wiltshire is the county	”

These folks should be able to ship to you:

http://www.mountfuji.co.uk/

thanks! these folks seem to have reasonable prices too - I'll have to make an order some time

be aware...

I tried it as well once...

never again...

Chief108

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“	Originally Posted By: Unkotare These folks should be able to ship to you: http://www.mountfuji.co.uk/	”

thnx for the link Unk-san...

I can't get these curries anywhere close to my place...

but damn....
I'm hungry now..

Chief108

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“	Originally Posted By: stumpy_32 This is complete misinformation. There are 9 essential amino acids for the human diet, all of which can be found in non-meat products. The trick is combining them, and this is really not as hard to do as some meat-eating bodybuilders would have you believe (for example, beans combined with rice provides all the amino acids needed, in the same quantity as most meat. Lentils provide 9 grams of protein per serving, similar to chicken). Soy itself is a complete protein, with all 9 essential amino acids (just like meat). In terms of protein, vegetarian is just as valid a diet as being a carnivore. In terms of unhealthy fat, it is unquestionably more healthy. Those are the facts.	”

Hmmmm...NO. First of all, general mistakes and unsoundness of reasoning: a carnivore eats meat only and no vegetables at all, which is not valid for humans. Also, a herbivore (human herbivores are called vegans) can get enough protein, but will have to consume an immense amount of food because humans, as well as most other mammals, CAN NOT digest plants. We have to rely on bacteria in our digestive tracts to do the digestion for us. This is immensly inefficient and therefore, lentils may provide 9 grams of protein per serving (what are you definining as serving, by the way? If you're taking 100grams, which is a moderate amount, chicken provides up to 30 grams of protein, depending on the bodypart), but your body can't absorb all of it.

On to soy. Soy contains the isofalvines genistein and daidzein, which are both phytoestrogens. Which means, they bind readily to estrogen receptors in your body.
There are alpha and beta receptors, the important one being the alpha receptor. It is associated with breast tumors, as well as other diseases, and high water retention and bodyfat, which can both be unhealthy and definitely don't look good.
Also, it plays a significant role in hormon production. Brief periods of soy intake decrease testosterone production by 76% percent, and an inverse association of soy intake and testosterone levels was discovered. So, males are basically depriving themselves of their most important hormone by eating soy, and nuts won't stop that effect, neither your nuts nor walnuts. This effect is additive with natural estorgen production. It also decreases the thyroid hormone T4, which is important for all immune reactions, and, in vitro, has been shown to kill testicular cells.
If that isn't bad enough for you, there is also evidence it decreases protein synthesis and inhibits protein breakdown. So, not only does it make the already inefficient breakdown of plant proteins more inefficient, it makes it harder to absorb that which was broken down.
(sources can be found here.

Then, unhealthy versus healthy fats. It is true that plants contain mostly omega 3 fatty acids. However, the best source of omega 6 fatty acids is fish. Also, grass fed beef contains ready protein, many vitamins, a fat ratio of 3:1, which is considered acceptable for modern diets (many northern americans consume a ratio ranging from 10:1 to 20:1). So, if you don't eat your meat the McDonalds way and choose mostly lean cuts, you'll do fine.
And another nifty thing: diets lacking in satured fats lead to lower testosterone production. So, not only will you be decreasing your testostreone through soy consumption, but also through the lack of satured fat.

In conclusion: Vegetarian diets suck. Sure, you can stay healthy, but if you're not after that extremly lean (or should I say starved?) look, meat offers many benefits. And, include at least eggs and dairy in your diet. And while the testostrone reducing effects are not relevant to women (unless they're not after the starving look either, in which case they start being important), I'm guessing most posters in this thread are men.

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