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“	Originally Posted By: Wingnut also i think cam's sugestion of replacing the beef and removeing the yokes is a good one	”

Huh, I suggested it first. I demand recompense!








RanXing: I'm not sure that combining olive oil & garlic causes arterial plaque. They're 2 of the healthiest substances around and have been combined in mediterranean cooking for thousands of years.

One of the things you want to avoid doing is frying things in olive oil. Really, frying in any oil is not that beneficial. However, olive oil has a low smoke point so it will "burn" (not catch fire but smoke) well before your food starts frying. An oil that reaches that smoke point is rapidly converting into that Big Bad Guy in the arterial plaque battle: partially hydrogenated oil. (All oils do that when heated; the hotter they get the faster that conversion happens.)

Slow-baking lasagna with olive oil is not a risk. Using olive oil to season already-cooked dishes is good, as is using it in place of butter.

I Can't Believe It's Not Butter is a very good butter substitute, but again, don't fry things in it.

Combining fats & carbs is not some kind of horrible thing that will lead to your early death. Monitoring your overall intake & balancing proteins, fats & carbs is much easier & has more consistent results than following obscure and complicated dietary advice.

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me : "also i think cam's sugestion of replacing the beef and removeing the yokes is a good one"

but it fades into obscurity when held up to the dazzling

gastronomic insights of sammygirl

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“	Originally Posted By: Sammygirl RanXing: I'm not sure that combining olive oil & garlic causes arterial plaque. They're 2 of the healthiest substances around and have been combined in mediterranean cooking for thousands of years. Combining fats & carbs is not some kind of horrible thing that will lead to your early death.	”

I am sure of it. while they are both excellent alone, combined they cause a hastening of arterial thickening and plaque build up.

in basic heath classes they specifically mention the fats-carbs relationship to bad health, heart disease and early death. the american heart association, which is essentially an extension of the National Heart Association (of Australia) and perhaps was remade into the National Heart Association (of the US in 1996) specifically link the ingestion of fats and carbs within 24-36hrs of each other as the most serious mitigating factor in the development and prevention of heart disease. while death from diet is not immediate it can take 25 years off your life and lead to Erectile Dysfunction and various forms of arterial disease, poor circulation and edema.

eat well, live heathy.

“	Originally Posted By: RanXing eat well, live heathy.	”

Can't argue with that, anyway.



Eating healthy is great. Eating obsessively is not great. By eating obsessively I mean, not the person who stuffs Twinkies in their mouth endlessly (compulsive eating) but the person who obsesses over every gram of food before eating it as to whether it is healthy or not, or if it should only be eaten at certain times, or only in combination with certain foods, etc., etc. That level of obsession steals life and one's enjoyment of it, as completely as excess saturated fats can truncate one's life.

What I really mean is, there ain't nothing wrong with pigging out at a good barbecue once in awhile. Just not every day.

“	Originally Posted By: Wingnut but it fades into obscurity when held up to the dazzling gastronomic insights of sammygirl	”

Yeah I'm awesome! LOL

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Just saw this - that is the most American recipe I have seen since I moved from Florida in December!

your basic problem is having a cheese and sausage lasagne, period. Yikes. Being a good european (and having lived in Southern Europe) I have never been into these bizarre food substitutions. You use proper food and less of it.

So (1) Lasagne is a feast food - to do it properly takes hours and hours, so you can't expect it to have the same fat level as lentil soup
(2) You eat smaller portions than you might think

As to the recipe, I'd do serious surgery:

This

SAUSAGE AND CHEESE LASAGNE

Ingredients

sauce

2 tbsp butter
500g beef sausages
1 medium onion, chopped
3 large garlic cloves, chopped
2 teaspoons dried oregano
330g canned tomato in juice

filling

1.5 cups fresh basil leaves
2 cups ricotta cheese
1.5 cups grated tasty cheese
3/4 cup grated parmesan
1 large egg
1/2 teaspoon salt
1/4 teaspoon ground black pepper

assembly

4 fresh lasagne sheets
3 cups grated tasty cheese
1 cup grated parmesan


Needs to become something like:

LASAGNE

Ingredients

sauce

olive oil
500g lean ground beef- why oh why would you dream of having beef sausage?
1 medium onion, chopped
3 large garlic cloves, chopped
330g canned tomato in juice
1.5 cups fresh basil leaves
1/2 cup red wine

Bechamel sauce

1 pint skim milk
2 oz butter
1 handful flour (that's about 1/2 cup)
1/4 cup grated parmesan
1/4 pint single cream
grated nutmeg
black pepper
salt

assembly

4 fresh lasagne sheets
1/2 cup grated parmesan

So you make the meat sauce cook onions and garlic in a little olive oil then add ground beef, tomatoes and basil, wine and simmer for an hour. Make bechamel sauce - melt butter, add flour, make roux, then add milk slowly. When all in add cream and other stuff. Assemble alternative layers of meat sauce, pasta, bechamel sauce - 2 or 3 times, and finish off with a spinkling of parmesan

Much better for you and - frankly - much nicer

Do it the European way!

T

Okay... now that just sounds too good for a Kung Fu forum!!!

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you gotta work up an appetite for it. Ideal for kung fu people (apart from the skinny tiny ones who can move you with the power of their chi alone )

Serve with homemade garlic bread (with lots of butter to undo the savings from the better recipe!), green salad and 2 glasses of red wine. Follow with homemade lemon sorbet, blue cheese, coffee, bitter chocolate and single malt whisky.

All these are naturally health foods (and the fact that you only
eat like this once a week at most and the rest of the time live off lentils and vegetables also helps)

T (who has just had late supper of lentil and chorizo stew)