The real enemy is SUGAR.

(and trans fats, that's partially hydrogenated oils)

I felt like starting this thread, because of recent discussions of the Atkins diet. If you suggest that eating meat, with a few veggies and fruits on the side, people freak out and act like it's unnatural and garanteed to cause weird organ problems. It didn't for the Inuit, or Masai, or many other hunter gatherer groups who lived on just such these kinds of diets. It you think about concentrating nutrition and minimizing the amount of food you eat, well guess what's one of the absolute first things you have got to get rid of.................. It just amazes me that people think that if they aren't eating high fat, it healthy and OK........people don't think twice about the amount of sugar in their food and many today don't even realize how much sugar is in so many grocery store and restaraunts. Like breakfast cereal, which should be referred to as candy, not food. I'm not suggesting people eat big slabs of meat, all I'm saying is, put down the coke, cut the roll in half and make it whole wheat, and in their place, put a few more veggies and little bit larger portion of meat.


Here's a weird little site, but fool of good information, I have to agree with this top 10 list.
http://www.biblelife.org/history.htm


http://www.biblelife.org/abrams.htm

http://www.all-creatures.org/cb/a-sugar.html

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“	Originally Posted By: StormMountain It just amazes me that people think that if they aren't eating high fat, it healthy and OK........people don't think twice about the amount of sugar in their food and many today don't even realize how much sugar is in so many grocery store and restaraunts.	”

there are so many health myths that it/s incredible that there are actually still people alive....

I come from a family with heartdiseases (over 90% of my direct family has them or died from them) so ever since I turned 18 I'm aware of that I have a major risk here....
dumb thing is... when you go to a doc and you want some tests, all they can come up with is a cholesterol test....
why don't they know about CRP tests
and what about the hemoglobin A1C test

and all they ask is: "do you smoke" "do you work out " and that's it!!!

while every year thousants of "healthy" young men drop dead from heartattacks and strokes "they shouldn't have"

and there's so much more going on....

once more: education, education, education....
question things, find out for yourself....

don't be ignorant and keep your mobile with you ready to call 911...
get on top of things and make sure you'll be fine

Chief108

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“	It just amazes me that people think that if they aren't eating high fat, it healthy and OK........people don't think twice about the amount of sugar in their food and many today don't even realize how much sugar is in so many grocery store and restaraunts	”

It's sooooooooo true...
hell these days ppl ain't talking about fat that much... it seems like carbs are devil... avoid them... bahhh....

if you read Ori Hofemlkar's newsletter u'll see totally different opinion on carbs...
www.warriordiet.com chech this out... lots of good info. I agree with him because his method of diet is something I've used for years. not knowing that someone wrote a book on it.

“	I come from a family with heartdiseases (over 90% of my direct family has them or died from them) so ever since I turned 18 I'm aware of that I have a major risk here....	”

wwaa.... man that's too much...
so wat's ur cholesterol levels right now


if you have arteries blockage then u can wind up with heart attack...right
-TkdWarrior-

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“	Originally Posted By: tkdwarrior wat's ur cholesterol levels right now if you have arteries blockage then u can wind up with heart attack...right	”

my cholesterol levels are fine thank you
my father's side of the family all suffer from a genetic disease that causes extremely high cholesterol levels even if you're eating "right"
I've been tested twice on that, but as far as I know it I'm the only male in the family who does not have it.. (Mum why do I look so much like the milkman)

a heart attack (or myocardial infarction) occurs when a coronary artery, one of the blood vessels that supply oxygen-rich blood to the heart muscle, becomes blocked...
the area of heart muscle that does not receive blood begins to die
in some cases, individuals may have a heart attack from causes other than the blockage of a coronary artery...
however, the cause of heart muscle damage is the same:

an area of the heart does not receive adequate oxygen-rich blood and the heart muscle dies.

the other causes can include cocaine overdose, blood vessel spasms (known as Prinzmetal's angina), and severe anemia

the vast majority of heart attacks are caused by blood vessel leakage.

the seriousness of a heart attack depends on how much of the heart is affected
often the surrounding healthy muscle keeps working, allowing the heart to keep pumping while the injured muscle heals and recovers some of its strength
the death of heart muscle may result in weakening of the heart (called congestive heart failure), heart valve damage, and irregular heartbeats (called dysrhythmia).

(from: http://www.heartattack.com/)

now let's get back to that one line:
the vast majority of heart attacks are caused by blood vessel leakage...
not blocked arteries, not cholesterol, but....
blood sugar (sex magic ) levels...

this happens a LOT with people who have diabetes (my mum, my grandma and her sisters all had heartattacks because of diabetes), diabetes can seriously weaken your blood vessels and therefor people with diabetes are at high risk for heartattacks as well

but that does NOT mean that you're outta risk if you're not diabetic...
I believe that it was 89 (or 98, don't remember what's the correct number) % of all people who were hospitalised because of an heartattack had blood suger levels that were WAY too high....
although some of them were healthy, athletic, non-smoking, 30-something males with excellent cholesterol levels, they DID get a heartattack

because of the current problem with 1/3 of the western world being overweight, the ammount of people who are diabetic will rise too...
and being diabetic *and* being overweight is seriously asking for trouble...

good news is:
good exercise cures all

good exercise will help your cholesterol levels
good exercise will help your blood sugar levels
good exercise will help your weight level
good exercise will help you stop smoking

now turn off your computer and train fatty...


Chief108

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all hail Martyr Fakka

Interesting, so sugar is the real enemy. I thought it was Saddam
Seriously, sugar is a major problem nowadays. A quart of iced tea (from the supermarket) contains upwards of twenty standard sized cubes of sugar, Coke, Sprite and other soda has similar values.

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hmm really i have a problem with religion (peak of pseudo-science) sites putting "scientifical" info around... never looked good the other times ive seen it happen...
its not quite logical to me to believe in a site that claims to present absolute scientiffical proof that the evolutionism theory was wrong, the creationism theory was right, "God" created the earth on 7 days, the Arch of Noeh, Santa Claus, Eater Bunny, whats next

ah just adding something
some info
for people to think about:

about the eskimos
the eskimos dont live like we do
they have a completely different lifestyle than us
they have a different level of activity than us
they have different food avalible to them than us
their bodys have a different adaptation to the diet they follow

Hey Jay,

How's your sister

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Atom, please read my remarks on the Atkins thread. I don't agree with everything on the site, but instead of dismissing it on general premise how about discussing SPECIFIC POINTS.

Allan, thanks for asking. She's doing better, and obviously losing a lot of weight, it will be interesting to see how this affects her mood disorders, and hopefully will lead to better parenting for my niece.

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OK, I scanned over Storm's links. While the writer is pretty fanatical about how evil sugar is (which means his research is just as biased as the theories he's trying to debunk), he does quote his sources and makes a fairly rational argument.

I only have a few quibbles with some of his theories:

1. Denouncing doctors --

“	Medical doctors and nutritionists have a very poor historical record for following sound scientific principles. Neither of these groups should be included in the scientific community because they consistently drift into theories and practices that many highly regarded scientists have found to be wrought with errors.	”

He does explain himself, but the examples he gives are from the 19th century, not the 20th/21st. As most people know, the difference in medical knowlege between then & now is vast.

2. Taking history out of context --

“	Canned fruit was also used as the filling for home-made pies. The crust was made with refined white flour, refined white sugar and trans fat hydrogenated vegetable shortening. Crisco was the most popular brand for these factory made chemical fats. The resulting dessert is very delicious to the taste, but the grains, sugars and trans fats together form "The Deadly Food Pie."	”

Again, good points about the pros & cons of the Industrial Revolution, but he slips with his description of food preservation. Before vacuum-sealed bottles were available, preserving fresh fruit & vegetables was a nearly impossible task, meaning folks out on the plains suffered from severe nutritional deficiencies especially in the winter (scurvy, goiters, etc.) He doesn't even touch upon the old method of salting meat and fish, and doesn't talk about the high risks of death from food poisoning that existed just from tainted meat & milk. Additionally, people made nice, doughy, sugary pies before canning, and they still make them today. And many of them are perfectly healthy.

3. Slight discrepancy in the Coca-Cola story --

Coca-Cola was much more addictive in the 1890s than it is today because -- ding! it had cocaine in it! (As did many of the "remedies" sold over the counter back then.) Also, carbonated water has a digestive effect, that's why people bought it back then (plain or with a bit of lime syrup for flavor). In fact, Bostonians still call soda "tonic."

4. Misses the point of fresh fruit completely --

“	Fruit is concentrated fructose sugar. Fruit is all carbohydrates and contains no proteins or fats. The few healthy vitamins, minerals and anti-oxidants found in fruit are praised to the heavens.	”

Wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong. The levels of fructose (a TYPE of sugar which is actually processed better by the body than refined cane sugar) vary from fruit to fruit but are rarely if ever "packed" in there. No, most fruit does not contain proteins or fats (well, coconuts have fat, not sure if its fruit or vegetable tho). However, in addition to vitamins (especially vitamin C, which is why the British Navy incorporated limes into their diets in the 18th century), minerals and antioxidants, fruits contain many enzymes critical to our health.

The real problem with fruit is that most Americans don't eat enough, if any. No you don't need 5 servings a day. But some folks won't even eat an apple a week, much less in a day. Instead they'll eat apple-flavored Jolly Ranchers.


The problem we have today is virtually the same problem our ancestors had: getting enough nutrients to stay healthy. Back then, the amount of food available was the problem. Now, there is plenty of food, but the way it is harvested and processed leaches nutrients out of it. So we have this epidemic of people who are literally eating themselves to death because there aren't enough nutrients in the massive amount of food they eat to sustain them! You will never hear this explained on the network news, but in the U.S., that's what is happening.

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It is all about the amount of calories you bring in an the amount you expend. Also the balance of foods and food groups that you consume.
That's it.
Fruit is fiber, not just glucose. Glucose is necessary and best for you in it's naturalest form. Use Splenda in your coffee and have an orange to go with it. Everything is good in moderation. Personally I limit my sweets to basically one or two indulgences a month...usually around the same time every month ...teehee, you really wanted to know that, you know you did.

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Hey, there's no way I'm getting rid of my emergency chocolate stash. Same reason, too.

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sammy girl U just reminded one of the physicsts in MAP, both of u overanalyse things...
what gives
-TkdWarrior-

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It's not only white sugar my friends.

We have to be more specific on 'sugar.' An apple has sugar, BOVINE milk has sugar, oranges have sugar, potatoes have sugar, GOAT'S milk has sugar, and so forth.


How about 'salt'
Na - sodium
Mg - magnesium
K - Potassium!
Or could it be the 'table salt' we know of as Na+Cl-. Where was it derived Salt mines that used aluminum machinery to extract it Or was it evaporated from ocean water

Pay attention to your labels people. Do your research on what's around you. Never eat anything deprived from it's original nutrients. Like white flour - hull (which contains the vitamins/minerals in organic form and fiber) is knocked off the endosprem (the white part - biggest part). And it's knocked off because it has a LONGER SHELF LIFE. That's what margerine and hydrogenated oils are like. longer shelf life, for PRESERVATION. And especially a SUGAR, like splenda. Or aspartarme, or saccharin, or anything derived from it's original nutrients. people 200 years before us didn't, and they had straight teeth, strong bones, and fulfilled lives, and there was no such thing as a heart attack, diabetes, and all that fabricated sh!t we see today.

It's pathetic that the generations 100 years before us were the idiots to buy into more of that garbage. Yet today we get blamed for not eating the way those around us do. Now we have people with arthritis at 15! Poor eyesight at birth! Deformities! acne! mother f*cker man. I am so pissed off at all those f*cking bastards saying that any problem that we have are 'all in your head'.

Dumbasses. We have minds, we can determine for ourselves. THINK!!!!!

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“	Originally Posted By: JKD327 people 200 years before us didn't, and they had straight teeth, strong bones, and fulfilled lives, and there was no such thing as a heart attack, diabetes, and all that fabricated sh!t we see today.	”

I really doubt that people were in such great condition back then, heart attacks happened as did diabetes. The main difference is probably that nobody knew what was happening to the people suffering from them, now we can identify and treat these problems.

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Yeah, sorry but Spelenda rules. My dad's diabetetic and I follow a diet similar to his, not only for weight management and overall health, but to help control what ever slight sugar probs I have now so they don't turn into full blown diabetes like dad. My doc told me that Splenda was the best of the sugar substitutes. And people were sick back in the day too, we are just a bit more informed of what diseases are and are diagonsed more often. Back in the day they didn't nesaccarily know about certian diseases.

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