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January 18th, 2005, 03:38 PM
|  | Venerable Student | | Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Richmond Hill, Ontario, Canada Style(s): TKD, Tai Chi, Fencing Year(s): 2
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Rep Power: 6 | | | I looked at the website... interesting concept... there's one problem though. This is the prevalent diet in America. People have crappy breakfasts and lunches then pig the heck out during dinner, and the majority of America is fat.
So why will this work exactly Why not simply eat carbs in the morning, everything else throughout the day That's what I'm picking up on... so I'm going to try and **** things to breakfast though it's a bit tough.
If one wants to shower from 5:30-6 do yoga/taichi from 6-8, when does one eat Oy... so early... can't go to bed early enough to get 8 hours, only 3. | 
January 18th, 2005, 11:09 PM
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Rep Power: 37 | | | “ | I looked at the website... interesting concept... there's one problem though. This is the prevalent diet in America. People have crappy breakfasts and lunches then pig the heck out during dinner, and the majority of America is fat. | ” | |
that book is far more than that...
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January 18th, 2005, 11:27 PM
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Rep Power: 6 | | | Eh, well if it's that simple, it contradicts a lot of studies and stuff.
Now you can see what I mean about getting stressed from 10 different sources telling me what to eat. | 
January 19th, 2005, 06:35 AM
|  | when TKD strikes | | Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: New Delhi, India Year(s): 8
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Rep Power: 37 | | | “ | Eh, well if it's that simple, it contradicts a lot of studies and stuff.
Now you can see what I mean about getting stressed from 10 different sources telling me what to eat | ” | |
yup that's true mate...
seriously... if you read his book u'll find seriously good info... I have read it and then changed my eating method to his diet... I immdiately saw +ve results.
it's far more than stuffing at night...
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January 19th, 2005, 10:52 AM
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February 20th, 2005, 01:55 AM
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Rep Power: 4 | | | If you are concerned about longevity, more than 30 or 40 grams of protein in one day can be harmful. Many toxins are released into your body and cause problems that don't surface until middle age hits. You must also consider food combinations. Many fruits and veggies don't go well together. When being digested, mismatched foods will pass through your system without having their nutrients absorbed. Remember: Quality over quantity. | 
February 20th, 2005, 09:22 PM
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Rep Power: 69 | | Tyciol, I lost a significant amount of weight in high school on this diet. There's a big difference between eating junkfood for breakfast and lunch and then eating a big dinner and what this diet program recommends, it really isn't the same thing. | “ | more than 30 or 40 grams of protein in one day can be harmful | ” | |
On what evidence do you base this claim? I would assert that indeed the OPPOSITE is true, especially if you exercise or lead a vigorous lifestyle.
All over the world, the teeming masses of poor eat a diet of cornmeal, rice, or wheat with just a little of some veggies, fruit, meat, etc, when they get it. They don't eat this way cause it's healthy, they eat this way cause they are POOR! If you have a protein rich diet, be thankful all is well!
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February 20th, 2005, 10:19 PM
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Rep Power: 4 | | | I choose this information over many others with the same conclusions because this doctors research has been used as a foundation for many medical studies. Dr. Paavo Airola, Ph.D., N.D., notes we "have been brought to believe that a high protein diet is a must if you wish to attain a high level of health and prevent disease. Health writers and 'experts' who advocated high protein diets were misled by slanted research, which was financed by dairy and meat industries, or by insufficient and outdated information. Most recent research, worldwide, both scientific and empirical, shows more and more convincingly that our past beliefs in regard to high requirements of protein are out-dated and incorrect, and that the actual daily need for protein in human nutrition is far below that which has long been considered necessary. Researchers, working independently in many parts of the world, arrived at the conclusion that our actual daily need of protein is only 25 to 35 grams (raw proteins being utilized twice as well as cooked)... But what is even more important, the worldwide research brings almost daily confirmation of the scientific premise... that proteins, essential and important as they are, CAN BE EXTREMELY HARMFUL WHEN CONSUMED IN EXCESS OF YOUR ACTUAL NEED." Dr. Airola continues: "The metabolism of proteins consumed in excess of the actual need leaves toxic residues of metabolic waste in tissues, causes autotoxemia, overacidity and nutritional deficiencies, accumulation of uric acid and purines in the tissues, intestinal putrefaction, and contributes to the development of many of our most common and serious diseases, such as arthritis, kidney damage, pyorrhea, schizophrenia, osteoporosis, arteriosclerosis, heart disease, and cancer. A high protein diet also causes premature aging and lowers life expectancy." Even if you were to double your intake of protein to account for kung fu training, that is only 70 grams per day. Much less than most people. | 
February 20th, 2005, 11:30 PM
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Rep Power: 69 | | | “ | Even if you were to double your intake of protein to account for kung fu training, that is only 70 grams per day. Much less than most people. | ” | |
Please give us a link showing what the average protein intake for people, it's hard for me to believe that it is significantly over 70 grams, as a friend of mine who was trying to be a body builder was setting 100 grams as a goal and having a hard time getting that much, especially since he only weighed around 150. | “ | Dr. Airola continues: "The metabolism of proteins consumed in excess of the actual need leaves toxic residues of metabolic waste in tissues, causes autotoxemia, overacidity and nutritional deficiencies, accumulation of uric acid and purines in the tissues, intestinal putrefaction, and contributes to the development of many of our most common and serious diseases, such as arthritis, kidney damage, pyorrhea, schizophrenia, osteoporosis, arteriosclerosis, heart disease, and cancer. A high protein diet also causes premature aging and lowers life expectancy." | ” | |
How come the Inuits who consume a diet close to 100% animal tissue have almost zero incidence of all of those diseases?
Harved medical school has researched the claims that excess protein causes kidney damage and found it to be NOT TRUE. They did find that people with PRE-EXISTING kidney problems had trouble dealing with HIGH levels of protein.
Schizophrenia?  I'd like to see the hard data, please. | “ | were misled by slanted research, which was financed by dairy and meat industries, | ” | |
I'd like to take a moment and address this because I see this tidbit of propogand constantly popping up. YES, these industries DO lobby and research for the benefits of there products, but the insinuation is that these guys are the "big money" guys trying hard to trick you into eating meat, the exact oppositte is true. Meat and dairy are little fish conmpared to the sugar industry, and the global food corporations like ADM, Kellog, etc, that have much more money with which to put out much more "research" and lobby. The profit margin on a box of cereal, a loaf of bread, or a twinkie, is MUCH, MUCH greater than money made on beef and dairy. The fact is our government has been pressured by big money food corporations to put out a certain point of view about their bland, over sugared, tastless, nutritionless, grain based denatutred products. http://atkins.com/science/researchsu...s/protein.html
There's a little research for you.
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February 20th, 2005, 11:46 PM
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Rep Power: 4 | | The average American easily achieves 70 or more grams per day in protein. After many generations of a lifestyle, people can adapt. Inuit, for example. Any sort of psychological side-effects are often just existing cicumstances, amplified by released toxins. CALORIC RESTRICTION WITH ADEQUATE NUTRITION (C.R.A.N.)
The average daily protein intake by a 70-kilogram (154-pound) man in Western countries is about 100 grams. | www.benbest.com/calories/cran95.html | Cached | Save | 
February 24th, 2005, 05:16 PM
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Rep Power: 6 | | Sevenstar, this really doesn't make sense, even going pound for pound, I don't think that much protein could create the kind of muscles bodybuilders get, which they get because of high proteins.
She says the high protein stuff was propoganda to support the meat/dairy industries, how about looking at this as vegetarian agenda propoganda?
Also, StormMountain... Atkins?  Atkins is a scam, even if they put real science on their site we shouldn't give them the satisfaction of linking.
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February 24th, 2005, 05:34 PM
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Rep Power: 69 | | | Atkins is a scam? What do you base this uninformed assumption on?
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February 25th, 2005, 10:19 AM
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February 25th, 2005, 12:18 PM
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Atkins & South Beach were both developed by doctors ... in fact South Beach was initially developed for heart patients.
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February 25th, 2005, 12:51 PM
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Rep Power: 18 | | | I took a look to the atkins site and looks good, they have a physicians council with names and last names.
at least you know who you are talking to, and their articles are interesting. | |
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