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April 27th, 2005, 05:18 PM
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Rep Power: 0 | | I am currently studying for my A-level in biology and I just happened to take the core health and fitness module which contains diet and nutrition. In fact too much of anything is bad for you. Protein can be quite bad in excess as proteins, in digestion are broken down into amino acids. These are then used elswhere in the body usually to make up new cell components, however in excess are converted to fatty acids and glycerol. These fatty acids usually end up circling the blood for a while before being "deported" but as you may know some may get stuck in veins and arteries. You end up with high blood pressure, cholesterol and poor performance in your next tournament! ("Too much" simply means that if your body is busy burning off the excess protein you just ate, then it is not burning off the excess fat in your fat cells. And that's not a good way to lose weight).
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April 28th, 2005, 12:13 PM
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I am currently studying for my A-level in biology and I just happened to take the core health and fitness module which contains diet and nutrition. In fact too much of anything is bad for you. Protein can be quite bad in excess as proteins, in digestion are broken down into amino acids. These are then used elswhere in the body usually to make up new cell components, however in excess are converted to fatty acids and glycerol. These fatty acids usually end up circling the blood for a while before being "deported" but as you may know some may get stuck in veins and arteries. You end up with high blood pressure, cholesterol and poor performance in your next tournament! ("Too much" simply means that if your body is busy burning off the excess protein you just ate, then it is not burning off the excess fat in your fat cells. And that's not a good way to lose weight).
P.s I just got into Medical school. Can you tell I am psyched?  | ” | |
Congratulations! You gave some good advice, I don't doubt you'll do well! 
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April 28th, 2005, 05:01 PM
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Rep Power: 69 | | | I'd like to see the research on that one.
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June 9th, 2005, 07:16 PM
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Who the F is twisting things other than you?
Storm just added that the FDA's low-fat recommendation is horse doo-doo to point out that other diets have a much worse track record than Atkins. And as a matter of fact, the FDA is in the process of changing its recommendations again, probably to something even more convoluted and knee-jerk than its pyramid diet.
Also, some of the people who are on ANY diet are still fat. Blaming one kind of diet on that is just BS. | ” | |
Name what I twist. Fine, if you take it that he isn't implying I support a low-fat diet, then by your and his explanation, you're saying that Atkins doesn't suck as much as other diets. Of course it doesn't. Anorexia is a crap-ass diet, for example, but that doesn't make something else better.
I attack atkins because low-carbs is dumb, not because there are fat people on it. I mentioned that because he showed me pictures saying there were fit people on it. I only saw people who were either normal or fat, which proves nothing.
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June 14th, 2005, 06:30 AM
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Rep Power: 0 | | | does anyone know whereabouts a martial artists body fat percentage should be | 
June 14th, 2005, 10:42 AM
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does anyone know whereabouts a martial artists body fat percentage should be | ” | |
Whatever it needs to be.
I would say, however, that martial artists should keep their body fat percentage in a healthy range (for men -- 12-25%; for women -- 21-31%). Bodybuilders will often dip well below the healthy range for competition (down to like 4%) so their muscle definition shows better. However BFP that low strips your endurance and, especially for women, can be very unhealthy. Since martial arts requires both endurance and explosive energy, you need to be in a more "average" range.
Chart for you: http://www.healthchecksystems.com/bodyfat.htm
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June 14th, 2005, 11:26 AM
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Rep Power: 69 | | | Alot of athletes who are pushing the envelope to be have the highest muscle to weight ratio to be as relatively strong as possible for their weight class and also not be slowed down by extra weight, cut way down into the single digits. I wonder how healthy that is long term. Probably much healthier than too much body weight, but I would definately be happy with 12 to 15%.
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June 14th, 2005, 07:56 PM
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Rep Power: 37 | | | “ | Protein can be quite bad in excess as proteins, in digestion are broken down into amino acids. | ” | |
I know a PHd guy who can prove otherwise... he suggest very different intake levels for people like Endurance/Stamina trainers and Bodybuilders...
like for ex.. he stress the fact that you need supplement after workout and if you are endurance trainee.. you might need to take it again in couple of hours... untill your body recovers from protien break down.
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July 19th, 2005, 10:21 AM
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July 21st, 2005, 08:12 AM
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Rep Power: 100 | | | When I was still a healthy man and was on the PD,I was into a lot of stuff. I am 5'7" tall. At that time, I had a 28' to 30" waist and had about 10% body fat. I was into a body building type mode. My goal weight was 225lbs. Never made it. Never got to 200lbs. but close. Anyway,I used to be on low fat/high protien most of the time. I easily drank 1-2gal of water a day. I used protien supplements,amino acids and just tons of stuff. When I first started that I was 150lbs.and was benching 225lbs.
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July 21st, 2005, 09:09 AM
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July 30th, 2005, 01:10 PM
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Rep Power: 46 | | | Diet is very intricate to each individual. I currently do the "Eat nothing all day, 1 meal at night" and it's not working as well as I assumed it would. I'd like to try 6 meals a day but my lifestyle does'nt really coheres with it. I am under the impression that digestion mainly occurs during sleep. I think it probably takes alot of tweaking to get ones own diet to an optimal degree. Trial and error. I have also read, Six small meals a day, in theory, should speed up metabolism thus burning more fat. Also the one meal a day, In theory, is not optimal for weight loss due to the fact the body will tend to store it because of the eating periods are so far apart thus more optimal for sustaining current body fat percentage.
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July 30th, 2005, 04:17 PM
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Rep Power: 160 | | | “ | However BFP that low strips your endurance and, especially for women, can be very unhealthy. Since martial arts requires both endurance and explosive energy, you need to be in a more "average" range | ” | |
Just saw this, interesting. Do you have any further information on the health risks, and the endurance impact for women in particular.
I have dipped below 10% for periods of a few months many times. The only impact I noticed was it gets uncomfortable to sit on a hard floor. My dad is still fit enough for serious mountaineering in his 60's and he's never done more than nudge the healthy range once or twice. I know a few spectacularly healthy women ranging from 33 to late 50's who must be under the limit judging by physique but they're yoga freaks which may make a difference. Still, I'd be interested to have some facts to take to the one person I know I think really should be eating more.
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July 30th, 2005, 04:47 PM
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Rep Power: 69 | | Well sometimes peoples BFP's a little hard to judge by just looking at them. A woman with 15% body fat is still VERY lean.
Check out this article. http://sportsmedicine.about.com/cs/b.../aa090200a.htm http://www.testsymptomsathome.com/TA...en_bodyfat.asp
one problem seems to be bone weakening, as well as screwing up the female hormonal balance.
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August 1st, 2005, 09:48 AM
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