hsing-i five elements and/or 12 animals clips.

Banjar, could you post a clip of what you mean, of a Pao done with the fire element in mind?

What does Chui mean?

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“	Originally Posted By: Joseph_Alb Banjar, could you post a clip of what you mean, of a Pao done with the fire element in mind? What does Chui mean?	”

Sorry, I don't have a clip of this technique. But you can learn it yourself if you practice the pao element fist. First, the pao that is shown in the above clip is the standard method of practicing and is basic to learning the technique. But like so much in Chinese kungfu, there are hidden elements that are not shown or are shown but not emphasized -- the idea of not showing everything is to hide the methods from outsiders but also to give the student a challenge of delving deeply into the style and of finding excellence. Give the student too much and he does not press himself to excell.

So, the Pao element shown in the above clip is complete but not finished. After the first move where the deflecting arm is at the side of the head and the attacking fist is extended, in the form the next move is to bring the fists down rather gently to the waist before making the next pao move on the opposite side. However, this gentle dropping of the fists hides and smothers the fire.

Instead of dropping the deflecting and attacking fists to the waist, try this: Return the deflecting fist back along the line of attack with a twisting back-knuckle which then returns to the waist as in the form and simultaneously return the attacking fist to the waist with another twisting back-knuckle which becomes a lower-level and downward deflecting fist or it can be a short attacking back-knuckle also delivered to the line of attack.

The pao element is fire, so the form should be fierce and continually exploding like a roaring, unquenshable fire. This is why I say that the film clip shown above is the beginning and standard form. It must be mastered as it is taught to establish the basic stances and methods, but it later is expanded to include, not a gentle dropping of the hands to the waste, but a fierce returning of the fists back along the line of attack in a continually roaring manner. Thus, the entire form becomes the fire element and not just the initial attacking fist.

I hope I have explained this to your satisfaction.

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You have explained more than to my satisfaction sir thank you. I now understand perfectly your viewpoint, but allow me to ask a doubt. Im sure that there is much more than just one way of expressing Paoquan (you just made a contribution to this very idea just now), so could that clip be merely one of them?

Thanks in advance.

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“	Originally Posted By: Joseph_Alb You have explained more than to my satisfaction sir thank you. I now understand perfectly your viewpoint, but allow me to ask a doubt. Im sure that there is much more than just one way of expressing Paoquan (you just made a contribution to this very idea just now), so could that clip be merely one of them? Thanks in advance.	”

"Much more than just one way of expressing paoquan"? That is hard to imagine since Hsing-I is such a basically simple (yet powerful) art. The pao element fist shown in the clip is the standard and basic method passed down from ancient times. It should be practiced as is shown, at first, before adding the other half of it as I explained. But the part that I explained is there (it isn't missing) and it has always been there, only it is hidden. The same holds true with the other element fists; they all contain hidden techniques, hidden in plain sight within the form. But to find them, you have to walk the path that the old masters laid out and practice the standard form, first.

It has taken centuries for the Chinese to have perfected kung-fu, so changing what they have developed should be approached with wariness and hesitance. But like any other martial art technique, however, *one should not be a slave to the form* but should explore from your own body type and skills and try to achieve a natural and effortless skill. That's my opinion only; study carefully and form your own opinion. And if in your studies, your practice and your research of the Ancient Way, you find another Way -- then, congratulations on your discovery! Kung-fu is limitless and its paths are many. Look past the surface glitter and find the depths. Big dragons swim in deep seas.

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Thanks for the insight. I agree, one often discovers hidden layers beneath simple things. So, you only train one form of Paoquan, the one you described?

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“	Originally Posted By: Joseph_Alb Thanks for the insight. I agree, one often discovers hidden layers beneath simple things. So, you only train one form of Paoquan, the one you described?	”

No, I practice both methods. The first method is the starting point and lines up stance and root with fist. Then when I feel solid I "light my fire".

But mainly I practice Chen tai chi and pa kua with some other stuff. It's all good. Hooray for Chinese kung-fu!

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Ok sir. I understand perfectly now.

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“	Originally Posted By: silksword Im trying to learn these from a book and it would really help if i can see the full motion so i can judge the speed of the form and all that good stuff. if anyone has any links or clips or advice i would appreciate it very much. thanks.	”

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