Use of Xing Yi Ideas in Other Styles

Ive started training recently with a group of guys. As part of the stuff we do, they are teaching me some ngo cho (nan shaolin wuzu), which has some hand work similar to WC. Problem is we have no teacher; just some dedicated guys who learned ngo cho for a few years befroe the teacher moved away.

Having some background in xing yi, I have really enjoyed some of the ideas employed in xing yi; namely with the intent, breathing, internal power generation. With the understanding that these arts are quite different in many ways (footwork, stances, etc), would it be a bad idea to integrate some of the xing yi concepts into my training in ngo cho? Going through some of the formwork in ngo cho, there seems to be some areas where xing yi style intent and breathing could add something; but ngo cho has different footwork than xing yi and seems a bit more brute force. Would working on things with a bit more xing yi-ish mindset be time well spent, or no?

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Wouldnt you find it better to try and incorporate the ngo cho to the xing yi, rather than the other way around?

Regardless of what the hands are doing, the feet are much more important in xing yi - so why waste a good thing?

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“	Originally Posted By: li xiao long Wouldnt you find it better to try and incorporate the ngo cho to the xing yi, rather than the other way around? Regardless of what the hands are doing, the feet are much more important in xing yi - so why waste a good thing?	”

I see what youre saying. The problem is that I dont feel Ive learned enough xing yi (I dont even know all 5 elements) to really go that direction. But Ive done alot of standing and intent work, so I feel comfortable with that.

In contrast, Ill be learning a decent amount of new material with the ngo cho crowd, and it seem, to me, that letting my xing yi....spill over...into the ngo cho might be a good thing, and maybe even the other direction, although at first thought, that seems more difficult.

Also, there have been alot of xing yi/WC threads. What about incorporating xing yi concepts with WC concepts? Dead end?

SOrry if these questions sound stupid...Just trying to spur some creative advancement in my martial arts =)

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Ah I see what you're saying. Given that you admit to not knowing that much to xing yi, perhaps it would be a far wiser idea to forget trying to mix the two together and just concentrate on one to a decent standard. Then, if the chance is there, go back to the other and raise the game on that too. Then, if you have time - try and merge the two together.

I understand the points on the XY with WC debate, and I have to admit, that usually those who make these points, are in a similar position in that they dont really know what they're talking about when it comes to the XY part. If they did, they would probably realise that you wouldnt want to taint the XY with WC at all since it would do better without!

Or at least, thats my take on it...

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Thing is that very many southern styles focus on the same principles.

Focus on the principles not the technique and youll see the connections naturally.

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baiji and mizongquan use elemnts of xing yi foot work

it my be worth telling that in may i had the chance to tlak to prof men hui fung. he remarked to me that at the highest level a mrtial artist shoul have "xing yi feet,bagua waist and tai chi hands"

Bagua feet and xingyi hands.

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lol Xing Yis hands are only as usefull as the footwork is efficient

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i disagree pai. Xing Yi is efficient in static situations. Its power generation is not reliant on footwork.

one of the big skills in xing yi is the ability to issue power good enough to finish the encounter from touch or very very close in. sometimes known as 'bone to bone power'. i think this is what is ment by the 'xing yi hands' part of that famous frase.

I will see if i can put up a relevant clip for example.

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Chris

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-Bagua feet and xingyi hands.

thanks...

and once you can isuue jing movement should not be that big of a factor

Good discussion thus far, thanks for the info guys.

Let me elaborate a bit on my situation: When I practice static standing in san ti, and to a lesser degree, when I practice elements, I try to use mental vision. I try to think of my dan tien, energy going to there, energy going to my arms and hands when breathing out, lightning exploding through my palms or fists at impact. I envision my feet as roots digging into the ground, and I try to envision things like pi chuan obliterating my target, like a hammer smashing an ice cube.

Are these sorts of mental principles of intent and mental imagery acceptable to apply to my ngo cho or wing chun practice? I find it almost difficult *not* to think of these things while Im performing form work from other styles now. As if just going through the motions is pointless, it seems it needs to have more intent, more meaning...More mental interaction...

Thoughts?

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"When a handshake passes the elbow, it becomes Judo."

that brings up good point, i approach my traing like college...w/ a major and a minor..my major being shaolin/lost tracks and my minor xing yi...the two should complement each other for insatnce my external gave me the initial root to hold a proper san ti...my wing yi help to further devolpe proper use of the waist and body coordination, my major and minor help each other repsectivly

yeah I know chris I suppose I should not have said that as if it was the final answer. Fact is that how you stand and thus connect with your target is drectly effected by your root or lack thereof.

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