Snake vs. Snake ???

Recently I signed up for training in the style of Shuai Chiao kung fu. It also incorporates Hsing-I. I guess my guestion for all you folks out there is, Which Snake style is the better one? And, What makes these two styles different?

Hsing-I Snake style (Versus) Shoalin Snake style
(12 Animal forms) (5 Animal forms)


This is a fight I would love to see !!!

“	Originally Posted By: Starchild Recently I signed up for training in the style of Shuai Chiao kung fu. It also incorporates Hsing-I. I guess my guestion for all you folks out there is, Which Snake style is the better one? And, What makes these two styles different? Hsing-I Snake style (Versus) Shoalin Snake style (12 Animal forms) (5 Animal forms) This is a fight I would love to see !!!	”

Neither is better, both are good.
You can get more info. about Snake here;
And here;

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I didn't see the Hsing-I snake style but I really impresed from the shaolin snake style

This thread is ultimately pointless because if I were to fight someone using xing yi, I would not limit myself to just one animal or fighting strategy. The big difference between shaolin and xing yi snake is that shaolin snake is an art in itself, whereas xing yi snake is merely 1/12th of the art. Hence, I dont think it would last that long, and not in the xing yi artists' favour.


However, compare shaolin snake vs 12 animal xing yi, and then I too would pay to watch that. Dont think it'd last very long however.

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“	Originally Posted By: li xiao long This thread is ultimately pointless because if I were to fight someone using xing yi, I would not limit myself to just one animal or fighting strategy. The big difference between shaolin and xing yi snake is that shaolin snake is an art in itself, whereas xing yi snake is merely 1/12th of the art. Hence, I dont think it would last that long, and not in the xing yi artists' favour. However, compare shaolin snake vs 12 animal xing yi, and then I too would pay to watch that. Dont think it'd last very long however.	”

I kinda agree with your theory on it, however, I don't agree with the 1/12th of the art. That means Shoalin is 1/5th of the art. And we all know math is not a concern in fighting. I figure, two snakes styles, they both must have diffrent techniques. I too only know mostly about the shoalin snake style. It's style is smooth & direct. But I would like to think that the Hsing-I Snake style is as effective as the shoalin snake. The only concerning factor is it's practitioner and his/her understanding of the art, there experience, and above all, their skill.

I was looking for a more technical answer. Does one snake kick more than the other? Does one use hands more? Is one of them faster? How about this, Internal vs. External. In real nature some snakes eat other snakes, which means, one snake is the more trained and qualified to win. In nature, it's called survival of the fittest. For human kind, it's the art of self defense, for some it's the art of war. And again, I would pay to see this fight. Anyone know of a movie or something about the Hsing-I snake style?

Mei Hua,
Thanks for the links, there were informative. I have a question though, There was mention about Northern vs. Southern snake styles, But is any of them Hsing-I Snake style? And maybe you'll know this question. In the movie from the 70's, The Snake Crane Secret, What style snake is that? Northern or Southern?

“	Originally Posted By: Starchild I was looking for a more technical answer. Does one snake kick more than the other? Does one use hands more? Is one of them faster? How about this, Internal vs. External.	”

All Snake styles use kicks/hands, to focus one one type of technique more than the other would not be in Snake's nature, or even a real Snake style. All Snake is fast, that is one of the emphasis on techniques, as in real life snakes strike very quickly, and a Snake stylist emulates Snake. Snake is Internal, but uses External techniques, different styles put emphasis on different aspects of that training, Wu Dan puts more emphasis on Internal, Shaolin on External, but both still use the other.
As to the post after that, those descriptions were common to all Snake styles, I do not know Hsing-I Snake, so I cannot speak about that, I only know Emei, Wu Dan, and Shaolin.
Sorry, I haven't seen Snake/Crane secret, but I'll have to check that out, thanks.

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Hsing i's snake is nothing more than a specific tactic, a specific mindset, and a specific way of moving the body, stop calling it a style and proposing movie deathmatches. You wanna see snakes fight? go to a zoo and make a deal with the snake keeper.

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You know, some of you fools have no respect. Thats the problem now days, everyone loves to **** talk. I wonder how many fights you all been in. Real fights, not your karate instructions. I bet some of you are little scared punks online **** talking because in real life you'll get your ass kicked!!!

I'm on these forums trying to educate myself, and some of you can't resist but to be an **********. I would appreciate it if you either spit some real knowledge my way, or stop making yourselves look like ignorant fools. Obviously no discipline!!!

“	Originally Posted By: Starchild You know, some of you fools have no respect. Thats the problem now days, everyone loves to **** talk. I wonder how many fights you all been in. Real fights, not your karate instructions. I bet some of you are little scared punks online **** talking because in real life you'll get your ass kicked!!!!!!	”

And you are teaching this point by example?

Starchild....snake styles are mainly found in Chinese arts, many of the ways these arts were developed was along the same lines, there are many cross concepts between them. The origins came from a few origins and as the arts spread many systems developed more as off shoots of the original.
The snake like any animal system is a system within a style within a system. Certain qualities or abilities are taken from different animals, as through observation it was found that certain qualities worked under certain conditions. The animals were living examples that could be seen again and again and learned by mimic.
The snake could entwine an attacker so it worked well against extended limbs such as strikes. To encircle the arm immolating it and working its way into a strike to a soft area. It also worked as a means to get through small defensive openings and strike. Each animal has qualities that are used as the conditions warrant them. So its not the style so much as it is the means but only based on a condition and since that changes to remain to only the single animal style often failed. It was realizing changing conditions required changing abilities that lead to the inclusive application of several animals into one system. It would perhaps have been more clear if they had called these wild animal style or mixed animal style.
In some arts the animals are natures examples of applications but so are the elements, so both are learned.

Another issue that is clearly Chinese in origin is the use of forms, as a means for three issues 1. To record the movements 2. to learn the movements and do so in a proper way that one will flow to the next unbroken and allow the flow of motion to go without interruption especially in a fight as that is a condition where hesitation means loosing. And third as a way to communicate form one to another this knowledge and these skills.

So it is not the style that means all that much. The snake is a snake in any style and the snake does not change just because the style does. One is much the same as the other.

So you have an answer, if you need to ask more questions please do so but another rude response and you will not be able to.

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I must apologize for my rude response. It was immature of me. However, I was provoked by another persons response. And yet you threaten me??? Thank you for the answer. It all sums up to both snake styles are the same, so why all the long letters??? Again I apologize, to all reading this post. Maybe it's simply a big misunderstanding???

what do you mean by long letters?

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“	Originally Posted By: Starchild It all sums up to both snake styles are the same, so why all the long letters???	”

I disagree, while all Snake styles have similarities between techniques, training, and philosophy, no Snake style is the same unless it comes from the same overall system, and even then...
I know three different Snakes, and none of them are the same as any other, they are all different.
And as Aqira posted, All the long letters?

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Starchild,

Actually, i dont think i was rude at all. I even gave you a piece of Xing yi info, wich you obviously seemed interested in. Follow Aqira's advice, he knows what he's talking about.

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