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It is karmicly wrong to steal your partners life force, chi , prana during sex.

You should either with hold or freely exchange, but not steal !

With regards to semen retention, do not I repeat do not use the squeeze the base of the penis method...this will only damage the fragile blood vessels at the base of the penis and lead to erectile dysfunction later in life.

Happy banging otherwise

“	Originally Posted By: wonhunglho It is karmicly wrong to steal your partners life force, chi , prana during sex. You should either with hold or freely exchange, but not steal ! With regards to semen retention, do not I repeat do not use the squeeze the base of the penis method...this will only damage the fragile blood vessels at the base of the penis and lead to erectile dysfunction later in life. Happy banging otherwise	”

I agree with you Wonhunglho. You should share not steal.

Your also right about the semen retention. Bad idea. The way it was described was to press on the area between to scoutum and anus. In my further research (after reading that book) I found it is similar to the problem that bicycleist have. Because they sit on that narrow seat for long periods of time it does damage.

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Hello everyone!

It is certainly NOT necessary to be celibate in order to fully develop and refine your intrinsic energy and internal power while training in Hsing-Yi Chuan....or any other genuine internal art. The vast majority of the top Masters in such arts....both past and present....have fathered one or more children. Celibate men obviously DO NOT beget children!

Physiologically speaking....it is normal for an adult man who is of at least average good health and disease free to desire sexual release on a regular basis. It is the nature of the male beast to do so! In any event....to totally abstain from all sexual activity....whether with a partner or alone through masturbation....usually results in a spontaneous release during the dream state at some point in time while sleeping. Therefore....celibacy is really the extreme at one end of the sexual spectrum in the same way as the over-indulgence in sexual activities is the extreme at the other end of the spectrum. Either extreme is potentially harmful to sustained good health and physical longevity from a medical perspective.

However....regarding the training of internal kung-fu and chi-kung....or kundalini yoga and pranyama....a typical problem arises. The physical exercises and breathwork techniques which comprise these methods stimulate the production and movement of the body's sexual essence (jing)....which in turn increases the sexual appetite and desire in most practitioners. Thus....celibacy becomes nearly impossible for many men to maintain....yet yielding to increased desire with over-indulgence slows progress in these systems and neutralizes the potential benefits of the training.

The traditional answer to this problem is to consciously choose self-disciplined moderation which neither completely forbids all sexual expression...like various monastic systems...nor totally dissipates the sexual vitality through excessive expression either. This then represents the balance of Yin and Yang in regards to sexuality...and allows a normal, healthy internal development without the harm or hindrance of either extreme.

Light to All!

Sifu Stier

old chineses saying nce in winter and twice in summer

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generaly the longer you are celebate while practicing an internal practice the better. the jing in your body will accumulate, becoming fuller and will circulate better. this has a stimulating effect to the body strenghtening the kidneys along with the other organs, improve chi developement, and greatly increase Fa-Jing, instantaneous and explosive controlled release of power. fa-jing can be developed without celebacy, but to develope past certain higher levels it is completely nessecary.

“	Originally Posted By: dang_lu_chan old chineses saying nce in winter and twice in summer	”

old english saying once a king always a king, but once a knight is enough.

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“	Originally Posted By: Sifu Stier Hello everyone! It is certainly NOT necessary to be celibate in order to fully develop and refine your intrinsic energy and internal power while training in Hsing-Yi Chuan....or any other genuine internal art. The vast majority of the top Masters in such arts....both past and present....have fathered one or more children. Celibate men obviously DO NOT beget children! Physiologically speaking....it is normal for an adult man who is of at least average good health and disease free to desire sexual release on a regular basis. It is the nature of the male beast to do so! In any event....to totally abstain from all sexual activity....whether with a partner or alone through masturbation....usually results in a spontaneous release during the dream state at some point in time while sleeping. Therefore....celibacy is really the extreme at one end of the sexual spectrum in the same way as the over-indulgence in sexual activities is the extreme at the other end of the spectrum. Either extreme is potentially harmful to sustained good health and physical longevity from a medical perspective. However....regarding the training of internal kung-fu and chi-kung....or kundalini yoga and pranyama....a typical problem arises. The physical exercises and breathwork techniques which comprise these methods stimulate the production and movement of the body's sexual essence (jing)....which in turn increases the sexual appetite and desire in most practitioners. Thus....celibacy becomes nearly impossible for many men to maintain....yet yielding to increased desire with over-indulgence slows progress in these systems and neutralizes the potential benefits of the training. The traditional answer to this problem is to consciously choose self-disciplined moderation which neither completely forbids all sexual expression...like various monastic systems...nor totally dissipates the sexual vitality through excessive expression either. This then represents the balance of Yin and Yang in regards to sexuality...and allows a normal, healthy internal development without the harm or hindrance of either extreme. Light to All! Sifu Stier	”

Thank you Sir !!!

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Interesting viewpoints... my instructor has told me that it is not necessary to remain celibate and that intentional long-term or permanent seminal retention can be detrimental to one's health as well as internal development.

Funny thing... I've also heard the use of the phrase Fa-Li (releasing power/strength) taking place of Fa-Jing because in Chinese, Fa-Jing translates to "bust-a-nut" (hey, I'm not a doctor, but I think that's the medical term). On trips abroad my instructor finally realized why English-speaking students were being laughed at when they were talking about Fa-Jing this, Fa-Jing that.

Jin & Jing are two dif. things.

One is essence ie. semen, the other is power. The confusion comes because they are often romanized in the same way as they have like but not identical pronunciations.

In our school, one thing we do is throwing Jin. Something we DO NOT do in class is throw Jing.

Danny

look at Dr. Yangs book on white crane for a detailed look at this.

The ancient Daoist, in looking for immortality would follow one of two paths. One was celebacy....the second was to cultivate the jing....through different sexual exercises, they would control emission...attempting to have 100 copulations for one emission....then they would mix the yin and yang and weeeeeeel....take in the elixer of life.

I believe the answer is somewhere inbetween....sertainly to much emission can drain the yang energy, but if you do not have balance, you can build up too much yang.....the yin/yang symbol tells the true story.....it is an equal amout of both curculating and neither the yin or the yang is pure...they have a drop of the other in them.

still the advocate who says xy is a battlefield art first and foremost, and qi finding inner peace milarky second.

Therefore, you find me a soldier who can keep it in his pants, and I may believe the statement about celibacy more.. :P

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It's all about moderation. Too much or too little can be detrimental to your health. People who don't masturbate are more likely to have certain negative health problems (like prostrate cancer for men). Unfortunately, there's a lot myth in the internal martial arts and qigong world based on old superstition and religious beliefs.

It's only a precaution in a certain stage, because you could experience a PAIN during orgasm. If you want to experiment, just do that 3 months celibacy thing, and watch for yourself. It's no necessecity to keep that, to gain whatever "level". It's typical that people mix all those levels of bodily essence, "spiritual" essence, and keep mystical stuff. You lose no "qi" on orgasm, other than losing the essence itself. With low protein intake, that's a risk, in a time with not so easy access to food. Especially if you belong to a sect that lives vegetarian.

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Common sense and a 'balanced' life-style is best! My opinion is, "Train hard & Consistant", no matter what style you practice! If you have like' 2 to 3 orgasms a day,..then you will feel a depletion of energy no what 'what' you practice!,..lol'! As far as the 'internal' orgasim,...doctors have found that the seman still exits into the bladder, or sometimes can block or rupture the exit tubes! Not a healthy practice! If you are in your 20s', you can orgasim and replenish faster than someone in their 50s',..so again, 'Common Sense"! (Eat lots of oysters & red Ginseng!,..lol' )Coach Li

What the hell is up with this celibacy BS. In my perspective IMA uses proper biomechanics. Chinese "IMA" are not some mythical beasts that can only be understood through weird esoteric practices.

I don't buy this whole celibacy crap.

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