>>My teacher is Master Lu Feng-Lin from Shanghai. His lineage goes directly back to Wu Yik Fan.<
>There is a middle guy but forget the name at the moment and his teacher is Wu Hui Fei.<
Hmmm..... There *is* WYF's sons LHPF organization in Shanghai. His son, however, was born late in life for Wu. The son never learned anything from his father.
>>I've seen the lhpf out of Shanghai.<<
>What do u think of it <
Not very highly. No fundamentals. Overexaggeration of movements. No real "root", or true "expression". No *proper* internal mechanics. Wu was an *extremely* paranoid man. One who was exceptionally secretive. He was forced to teach the long form as a way to earn money, but seemed to have given people a "general" type of form that had poor footwork, sloppy movements, etc... *No* fundamentals at all. That's the type of form that I see from the mainland, as well as Hong Kong. Chen Yik Yan kept up with this "general public" form for the masses just like his teacher. Neither Wu, nor Chen were apt to correct their students. They had to figure it out for themselves. All about dedication, and true understanding of their respective bodies....... And secrets. (I *really* wouldn't have wanted to learn from them)
>>>Supposedly from Wu Hui Fei/Wu Yik Fan lineage. Is your teacher quite elderly Wu's been dead for around fourty years, now.<<<
>>Funny thing is my fellow brothers tell me our forms and yours from Wai Lun Choi is different and it looks simplify.<<
How old are your sihings If they're under 25, then they've never seen Choi sifu in action. If they're under thirty, then they're still too young to remember much.
The lineage head is very clear, and ran from WYF to CYY to Wai Lun Choi. I *do* know that WYF never had *any* inner door students until Chen. Chen was wealthy enough to be able to spend a great amount of time, and money traveling around with Wu until his death. He was the only student that Wu ever entrusted with the full transmission of the art. <<shrug>> Chen wasn't looking to be lineage head. His predominant interest was in chi kung, and of that he was a master. It was his training in LHPF that enabled him to master his own body. Wu wrote his wishes for Chen to continue as the "next in line" as standard bearer for LHPF in his own hand.
There're several scrolls/books that have been passed down from lineage head to lineage head, and Choi is the one who maintains possession of these writings. From Li Dong Feng down through the generations to Wai Lun Choi.
>>Depends on *who* it is that you see demonstrating. There can be vast differences in both style, and structure. Sad to say that regardless of where you look *good* lhpf is *very* hard to find. Harder to find than any other internal art. <<
>Agree! I've never seen Wai Lun Choi so no personal comments from me.
but two of the student in my class have learned lhpf in Hong Kong which is your branch and then learn from master Lu Feng-Lin. They say there is a big difference even in the foundation. Is like butter!<
On *this* we can agree whole heartedly.
I don't understand your last exclaimation, however. Would you explain, please
>>>So I assume you finished the entire forms<<<
>>No. Not as yet. I prefer to train the few things that I do know until they're perfect. I never look to collect forms for forms sake. Not my style. <<
>Not my style either. Teacher won't continue unless I master each sets.
I hate people like that.<
No use in dancing..... Unless your partner is pretty.
>>>Have you done the Liu He Ba Fa push hands<<<
>>There isn't any "push hands" in lhpf.<<
>>There *are* two man sets. "Push hands" is strictly a tcc sensetivity/training exercise. We have the ball for that, as well as the two man sets.<<
>I guess your never heard of lhpf push hands which is different then tai chi push hands and is more advance. This one is if not the most important exercise in lhbf.<
As I've stated previously, there are no push hands practices as part of the lhpf curriculum. That's a exercise that was brought in by people from the "general public" style who were lacking in fundamental training. I've spoken, using this type of medium, to several practitioners around the world. Many from both Hong Kong, and mainland China, and all have said the same thing about they're push hands practices. Trust me when I tell you that it's not a part of the original style.
>>How about you How far are you along What sets/kuens have you learned Do you train Liu Hum Bai Sai/Mother, and sons eight linked palm also How about the san pan shere shi/twelve animals How much of what you do is governed by the adherence of proper mechanics Do you train in proper mechanics at all How many forms/kuens are encompassed in your branch of lhpf <<
>lhpf consist of the main form which has 66 sets. I'm half way there and loving it. Yes, the main forms body mechanics and balance are very strict. Then there is the push hands and a lhpf sister form. Form is just form but one need to achieve the 'spirit'. I felt this from time to time and is quite a spooky and intrinctic feeling my friend<
As I've said previously. There is more to LHPF than the one form. It is a fully developed style with several forms (5), and an incredible amount of foundation work involved. You have to remember that this style was for people who already had a foundation, and a solid one, in another of the internals. More probably in more than one. What is the "sister" form that you mentioned I'd like to hear more about that.
>I don't believe that there can be so many branches because the lineage is too small to have that like Tai Chi. Wu Hui Fei is the key man here and I believe he teach differently to different people. Some original and some simplify. From talking to varies sources he may have teach the simplify version to the general public students and the original form to a very few special students.<
No. He didn't teach differently to different people. He was highly secretive, and paranoid about who, and what he was. The forms that you see are individual representations of.... Individuals.
Their own perspectives, and (mis)understanding(s) of the style, and what it truly represents to them. That's why a majority of people who learned this "general public" form choose to supplement their lhpf with I-Chuan, ar TCC. <<shrug>>
Look forward to "hearing" from you.
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