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Old December 16th, 2005, 10:31 AM
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Originally Posted By: tkdwarrior
but you need media player for that one

And naturally i have that too...
But its realyl beside the point because no matter what I click on from that page, I always get a page not foudn error. I cant download anything, I cant stream anything, I cant get anything to my computer to even look at...=\
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Old December 16th, 2005, 10:41 AM
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you talking about my vids or the other ones?

My vids, if you cant see them, right click then hit 'save target as'

thats should sort it out

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Chris your videos always work fine.
Its the videos on the wing chun website, they almost never seem to work.
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Chris,
Could you explain/elaborate what you mean by frequency? I think there was an article about "verticle" sin-type waves generated by the spine in one of the Tai Chi mags. Is this what you mean by frequency? I'm still trying to understand the difference between what you said by "long" frequency and "short" frequency. Long as in they have a tendency to move the body? and short as in they have a tendency to penetrate? I'd really appreciate any help. Thanks
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spekkioxlv,

I think you pretty much have it.

Spine wave is a good example. The motion can be very obvious, with one undulation occuring in a large space, to very hidden with little to no external movement with a more vibrational quality the wave. The wave or spiral of power has become more condensed and focused, from a longer frequency to a shorter frequency. This is true of power passing through any joint in the body, or moving to and from any striking surface.

In projection techniques or strikes, mainly used to not damage a training partner, the power is 'long', it moves a larger distance through space, projecting past or through the opponent. This can still be the case even if the strikinmg surface doesnt move too far (no inche strikes that project etc)

In concussive strikes to damage the insides the power is 'short'. The power spiral or wave is condenced so that it stays within the opponent. Again the fist may move as above but the projection is different.

Also there are strikes that seemlessly mix these two idea's. That throw away the opponent but still damage them inside.

There are strikes that condense as they move through joints. for example at dan tien the rotation may be larger, but as the power passes up the spine, through the scapula, shoulder, elbow and wrist is becomes smaller and shorter.

Then there are strikes that 'break' their power. Something i worked with allot after injuring a close friend without realising. Here the power is stopped or broken at a joint to defuse its power. Here the strike may only penetrate onto the surface layer of the bodys musculature. This allows the teacher to give an 'impression' of the force without damaging the student.

hope it helps ... achieveing these methods is something i am still working with.

Im just a beginner.

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Originally Posted By: Necronos
II don´t like to practice that on a partner, right now I "only" cause a bruise if I place my hand on an extended arm and issue downward power.

Having been on the receiving end of one of those 'placements' I can say it's OK that Necronos doesn't train this on people on a regular basis.

My forearm was pitch-black for almost two weeks.

BTW, Chris, I don't know where the problem lies, but almost none of your videos here or on your website work for me and I should have all the necessary software.

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sorry about that Jorg,

not sure why that is but i will look into it

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Thanks a bunch, Chris.

As I said, there's no apparent pattern, some links work fine, some don't, although the filepath is the same.

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I thought I'd share this from a friend of mine on another forum, Alex Au of the Hong Kong Tai Chi Plum Blossom Praying Mantis Assoc. Since I am also a TCPM student, I especially like his explanation of shortening the attacking route without reducing the force of the strike.

To be a warrior of mantis boxing: In Shangtung province, the motherland of mantis boxing, the mere familiarity of hand skill of mantis boxing will not warrant one as a warrior of mantis boxing. To be a warrior of mantis boxing, one must fully master the knowledge and manipulation of force or power generated by the body as well as the effectiveness of body movement on both attack and defense. The body movement is being driven by concentration of your mind and the control of your breathing pattern. Among the different styles of Chinese kungfu, Tai Chi boxing has done in-depth research on such kind of theory. Actually, the ancient masters of our style of mantis boxing had already fully understood the essence of this theory and they had been integrating the principle into mantis boxing style for quite a few generations. With hundred year of practice, the principle is now the core of our style. In conclusion, the building-up of body power is the basic of the aforesaid theory; the way of transferring this power is through the mantis boxing hand skill and footwork. Therefore, our style is formally named as Tai Chi Plum Blossom Praying Mantis Boxing.

Another difference between our styles and others is our intense focus on the technique of close- contact-combat. Our contact tactics is called “attack by interception” which combines the attack and the defense actions, so as to block or terminate our enemy’s attacking movement during counter attack. In addition, we emphasize a lot on shortening our attacking route. In order to minimize the time of the attack and to do a faster strike, we will reduce the forearm drawback distance in between each attacking action. As the attack route is shortened, the acceleration distance is also shortened. Under normal circumstance, the force generated would be less strong with less momentum. However, with the application of the Tai Chi theory, we use the whole body to generate the power and then transfer the power by our body limbs in spiral line. To note, if we measure the distance from our feet to our hand, the acceleration distance is good enough to generate the strong force. In addition, as the force moves in spiral line, it will increase in strength. The ultimate objective that our style is persevering, is that our body can be trained to become full of tension, just like a balloon, which can dissolve or rebound any external force applied to us. During the time we prepare to attack, our body could act like we have a spring inside which could be compressed and released. In this way, we can act (attack) and react (defense with counter attack) as we like.
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