hsingi combative drills

I would be very interested in sharing information on how people are developing their fighting skills in this art. Tai chi for example uses pushing hands. What do you feel has worked for you And, what do you feel is lacking

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I started out with single, element applications, like their done on the controlling cycle. Then single applications against simple attacks, more or less formless ones. After that, single apps against unreahersed attacks, nothing too complicated. Then drills like one partner defends only while the other attacks, so the attacking one can learn how to link the movements and begin to learn fluidity. Im not very experienced but ive learned allot and improved mainly by starting out slowly and slowly adding up intention, intensity, speed and variety. All one needs is patience, continuity and a step by step system i guess, it works for me. Any thoughts

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Similar to Joseph.

I started out with single elements. then usiny element x to beat y, then moved onto 5 element fighting.

Im at the stage now where we mix up the 5EF to include some animal movements and also to switch from say left lead santi to right lead during the fight just to make it more colourful.

(i also would like to add that I have done and continue to do 5EF with swords, spears and other weaponry)

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Here is the approach that I teach. First work the structure through san ti and form. Once the student can get the force into the ground, We start to test the structure. We do this through the 5 fists by applying pressure to the major direction of force. After a period of correction I then have them add a bit of speed. This is still very slow. The partner collides with the student to see how he handles the force. If there is a collision ( force vs force) we continue the structure training with an emphasis on maintaining the structure by what Chen tai chi people call silk reeling...this is the same as what people call listening/following skills etc. This is the path to eventual dan tien rotation. Yes, it exists in hsingi as well .

I avoid at all costs getting into specific patterns. I personally do not feel that this is helpful in a real fight. How can one know what the attacker will do, or how he will react Not possible in my opinion. For that reason, I am a minimalist in terms of pattern drills. We do a few things and then change to avoid that pitfall. By doing this, we can focus on structure and alignment...and relaxation.

The combative drills that I use also incorporate free hand pushing. This allows some unusual postitions to be found where we can examine the fundamentals.

These are the basics....we also do footwork drills and multiple apponent senarios....pinned against the wall....obsticles etc...

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At first, you will always see a straight right punch to the face. Then, you see a straight punch thrown to your upper body. after a while all you see is the direction the attack is comming, regardless of what type it is, so one learns to respond to whatever comes, using more principle than technique as one improves. Like i said, its a slow process, at least for me. But ill get there, im in no rush.

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<<while all you see is the direction the attack is comming, regardless of what type it is, >>

what are you r thoughts on
seeing the direction and developing from there to see the potential and only the start of the motion

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Its odd for us. I am writing an article now about tui shou in Pai Lum. We also have a few drills remeniscent of hsing I two person drills.

They all start off structured. then as you learn the drill you vary them. Before you know it you are doing completly freeform almost sparring.
The we actualy do a lot of sparring, when we spar in form we touch hands and have to stay in contact. Then we also sparr totally open anything goes.

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How do you train to deal with combination attacks

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anyone played with XY tuisho/push hands. From what I gather, it's a relatively new addition - but a very aggressive form of tuishu.

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I have found the addition of the 2-man set to be very helpful in the change from kata like drills to combat usefulness. Having a living breathing, adversary on the other end of a attack (be it a controlled attack) really helps to hit home the angles, the control and the attack targets of the style. I find it also helps to see the proper triggers. The bad guy attacks, his punch entering your zone "triggers" the correct defense/offense response. A response that both shuts down his attack and opens him up for your own.

Any one else working on two man sets

“	How do you train to deal with combination attacks	”

Invade their center.

I feel like JD has said, there's not much point doing all that other stuff till the structure is decent. For example, if you do pao and use the upper arms as a scoop or a block, it doesn't matter if you know the application until you are connected, because your opponent can just crash through your structure and collapse your arm.

I've "made up" my own version of push hands for Xing Yi that I like to do a lot. Of course I also spar, and like to work on full contact one steps. Basically, putting on gear and coming in with one technique at full force for my opponent to defend against. I have to say, I still like doing the 5 element 2 man drill, especially when you are free stepping and not just standing still.

It seems like we all find our way to test our skills. I am very much a minimalist in terms of forms and sets. One thing We did last week in hsing i class was a preparatory exercise to contact fighting. I had one student to pi chuan as in the form. Another person holds his forearms with slight but constant downward pressure as he goes through the movement. If there is a break in the structure or doubleweighting. It will be obvious. If done correctly, the partner should lose his balance and be uprooted while the hsingi player moves through him.

I also do another two person set of drills. I will explain with pi chuan, and you get apply this to any of the fists. The partner stands in front of the hsingi player with a straight and locked arm pointing at his chest. The student adjusts his distance and executes pi chuan as in the form. At the point of physical contact, the partner remains rigid and stiff. This allows the student to test his structure and avoid double weighting. This is done on both sides of course. Now, once he can uproot the partner, the variables come in. Next, at the point of contact, the partner will give straight downward pressure, easy at first, then more. That is the only change he can make at this time. The goal is the same. Once this is mastered, force to the left, right, diagonal etc. After the student gets somewhat proficient at this (not over night needless to say), the partner varies the response randomly.

THis is a one way, one of many, to prepare for physical contact. This method is done with each of the 5 fists. I wont detail them here for lack of space, but I am sure that you get the idea.

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