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March 16th, 2004, 06:04 AM
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Rep Power: 22 | | | he he he - i though that before i did it thraxdalgren!! It would be hard to describe 'whats going on' but i think it is fair to say - tiss hard work!
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March 17th, 2004, 06:55 AM
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Rep Power: 23 | | I think you are misunderstanding my post. I'm curious as to what is making 'standing' so hard to do I know I can stand for 10 minutes. I do Hung Gar stance training for 30 minutes or more. But standing in Hsing-I must be different then. You must not just be 'standing' there like a guy waiting for the bus on the street  What I was curious is if you were doing something internal at the same time, or what exactly
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March 17th, 2004, 08:35 AM
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Rep Power: 38 | | I see where you're getting at.
Imagine you're doing horse stance training.
Now take away one leg, but still remain balanced and posed in the same posture, just on the one leg.
Thats why its hard. 
Now of course, the stance in xy is not one legged, but the weight that is placed on the front leg is so minimal that you might as well consider it so... |
March 17th, 2004, 10:05 AM
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Posted By: li xiao long
I see where you're getting at.
Imagine you're doing horse stance training.
Now take away one leg, but still remain balanced and posed in the same posture, just on the one leg.
Thats why its hard.
Now of course, the stance in xy is not one legged, but the weight that is placed on the front leg is so minimal that you might as well consider it so... | ” | |
Bingo!!  Also, I have been taught to that you turn your hips in a bit, not to just sit in San Ti, but to rotate both hips in, keeping your knee's straight, to be able to protect the groin region a bit. Hope I explained that right |
March 17th, 2004, 10:25 AM
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Rep Power: 38 | | | Yea, thats how we do it. For the inexperienced, that position feels much harder than the "knee out" position, but it does offer more groin protection if standing still, and allows (my opinion) a quicker position to move from. |
March 17th, 2004, 10:37 AM
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Rep Power: 23 | | Ah yes, sounds much like our Duman stances (cat stances) where you have like 90% of your weight on your back leg, and 10% on your front. Something like that
I can imagine being in that sort of stance for 10 minutes would kill!
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March 17th, 2004, 10:55 AM
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Rep Power: 38 | | | I wouldnt say it was a cat stance per say - since the cat stance i know of, the lead foot is on tip toe, or toes at least.
However, shoot the front foot forward and drop so that the foot was flat on the ground (but leg position still in similar state in relation to foot) then yes, i guess it would be like a cat stance.
For a newbie it hurts around the knee/thigh area, but this soon wears off. One of the harder things to think about is when you're doing it, keeping all the other parts in correct alignment also - back arms, shoulders chest etc.
When i started out, i thought that it would help matters to 'cheat' by not keeping the tailbone tucked, or hollowing the chest etc. In reality it just made things more painful.
Now its almost like i 'sit' into the position, and can hold for quite a while, tho only ever timed it once... |
March 17th, 2004, 11:23 AM
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Posted By: li xiao long
I wouldnt say it was a cat stance per say - since the cat stance i know of, the lead foot is on tip toe, or toes at least.
However, shoot the front foot forward and drop so that the foot was flat on the ground (but leg position still in similar state in relation to foot) then yes, i guess it would be like a cat stance.
For a newbie it hurts around the knee/thigh area, but this soon wears off. One of the harder things to think about is when you're doing it, keeping all the other parts in correct alignment also - back arms, shoulders chest etc.
When i started out, i thought that it would help matters to 'cheat' by not keeping the tailbone tucked, or hollowing the chest etc. In reality it just made things more painful.
Now its almost like i 'sit' into the position, and can hold for quite a while, tho only ever timed it once... | ” | |
Yeah...what he said!!
When I first did the stance I thought it was a LOT like a cat stance. Difference is instead of hands drawn to the side, hands are out in front and chest is "hollowed" instead of flat, shoulders rounded instead of square, and stance is a LITTLE bit deeper and you tend to lean slightly more forward than in cat stance. |
March 17th, 2004, 12:13 PM
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Yeah...what he said!!
When I first did the stance I thought it was a LOT like a cat stance. Difference is instead of hands drawn to the side, hands are out in front and chest is "hollowed" instead of flat, shoulders rounded instead of square, and stance is a LITTLE bit deeper and you tend to lean slightly more forward than in cat stance. | ” | |
Yes, except apart from the leaning. Hopefully an image is attached for you to view.... |
March 17th, 2004, 12:23 PM
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Rep Power: 23 | | Actually that looks similar to the cat stance we do at the Hung Gar school I train at.
That asian dude looks cool. Looks badass. Like Jet Li or something
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March 17th, 2004, 12:32 PM
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March 17th, 2004, 03:10 PM
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Rep Power: 19 | | | We do something similar which we call "dragon stance" which is more of a side facing "Kim yern ma" (pidgeon-toed stance like in wing-chun) than an actual cat-stance: - ie both feet are flat on the floor, but toes pointing inwards in 60/40 - like a wing chun stance. Most of our dragon form is done that way - which is interesting because that's our internal form (looks alot like Bagua, actually).
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March 17th, 2004, 03:31 PM
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Rep Power: 32 | | | In San Ti, feet are flat and toes face forward, from what I have learned. |
March 18th, 2004, 02:14 AM
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Rep Power: 38 | | | You'll find variation in the positioning of the feet, but generally the lead foot points forward, and the back foot will be anywhere from pointing slightly off forward to a full 90 degrees to the side... |
March 18th, 2004, 07:03 AM
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Posted By: mok
We do something similar which we call "dragon stance" which is more of a side facing "Kim yern ma" (pidgeon-toed stance like in wing-chun) than an actual cat-stance: - ie both feet are flat on the floor, but toes pointing inwards in 60/40 - like a wing chun stance. Most of our dragon form is done that way - which is interesting because that's our internal form (looks alot like Bagua, actually). | ” | |
Hey Mok,
You are referring to the dragon portion of Five Animals/Five Elements right Almost all of the dragon is done in that stance in that form. But the complete dragon form is done much like the complete Tiger or any other form. All range of stances with the exception of Kim Yern Ma (as you call it. We call it something a little different.)
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