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March 7th, 2004, 08:22 PM
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Most of us will agree that the core of Hsing i is san ti and the five fists.
Question: Why five fists and what do they really do for the student who is learning them
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March 7th, 2004, 08:49 PM
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Rep Power: 100 | | | maybe it would be helpful to list them (and a brief description) to help others understand that don't know the art... then the relationship of performance might be more clear.
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March 7th, 2004, 08:54 PM
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My reply was gonna be...5 fists thats a good question...lol...why dont you go ahead and start giving us a description..LOL
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March 7th, 2004, 09:41 PM
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Rep Power: 6 | | Here you go: Pi chuan is associated with metal. It is the splitting fist.
Tsuan chuan is associated with water. It is the drilling fist.
Beng chuan is associated iwth wood. It is the crushing fist.
Pao chuan is associate with fire. It is the pounding fist.
Heng chuan is associated with earth. It is the crossing fist.
I guess I targeted this post to people who are practicing this art.
For a more detailed description of these fists go to my website under articles. A more detailed descritpion is there www.jimdees.com
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March 7th, 2004, 10:18 PM
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Rep Power: 100 | | | each represent an application of a principal of the laws of nature..these are found in nature and so in the self. The applcation of force is performed through the nature of the force and the type of fist is based on that nature.
The student can both learn and understand the meaning and abilities of a much larger concept
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March 8th, 2004, 06:57 AM
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Rep Power: 22 | | There purpose is to instill the primary principles of combat and power generation into the student.
They are principles that can be applied to any movement. Primarily they arnt specific techniques but they all do have effective applications also.
The 'point' of these movements is their principles not the movements themselves.
You could do the movements all day long, know the element theories and the desructive cycles etc - but if you dont feel and understand the key principle of each fist - you wont have too much!
cheers
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March 8th, 2004, 07:50 AM
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There purpose is to instill the primary principles of combat and power generation into the student.
They are principles that can be applied to any movement. Primarily they arnt specific techniques but they all do have effective applications also.
The 'point' of these movements is their principles not the movements themselves.
You could do the movements all day long, know the element theories and the desructive cycles etc - but if you dont feel and understand the key principle of each fist - you wont have too much!
cheers
chris | ” | |
Thanks Chris...can you elaborate on what these principles are as they apply to hsing i and the 5 fists so that we can better appreciate your point of view
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March 8th, 2004, 08:09 AM
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Rep Power: 38 | | | If you want to find out more about this, I would suggest that when the book I am currently working on is published, you go buy a copy.
It has all your answers!
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March 8th, 2004, 10:53 AM
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Rep Power: 22 | | All the answers! fairplay! I dont have the answers about anything i have studied so that will be useful 
My teacher was thinking of publishing his texts of hsing i but decided against it.
here is his site with a short article on hsing i and through the back power of pi chuan. Having felt his pi chuan, the guy has a real understanding of this power!!! http://www.lineofintent.com/martial/training/xingyi.htm
cheers
chris (rubbing his arms just thinking of the last hsing i session!!!) Davis
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March 8th, 2004, 11:53 AM
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March 8th, 2004, 05:49 PM
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Rep Power: 69 | | | Perhaps we could do like they did on emptyflower, and do one thread for each of the five fists
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March 9th, 2004, 02:59 AM
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March 9th, 2004, 06:29 AM
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March 9th, 2004, 06:30 AM
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Rep Power: 22 | | | “ | Perhaps we could do like they did on emptyflower, and do one thread for each of the five fists | ” | |
Good idea - forget EF - lets see what happens here!
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March 9th, 2004, 08:00 AM
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Rep Power: 6 | | | OK. by popular demand..here we go.
Pi chuan. Metal, splitting, lung. I think most everyone will agree to that.
Now, What is the purpose of doing the Pi chuan from What does it do for health, fighting, and body in general
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