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June 2nd, 2004, 06:40 PM
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Also, Just out of curiosity, I have seen 2 ways of doing the tiger form:
one raises hands to chest and push outwards, the other raises them and twists while pushing upward, so the fingers point to eachother....is it just 2 ways of doing the same thing or have i been doing it wrong
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June 2nd, 2004, 07:03 PM
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Rep Power: 6 | | It's always interesting discussing animals in XingYi. I always get the feeling a lot of XingYi systems out there really focus almost exclusively on the 5 elements - they see the animals as just one or two 'moves' e.g. tiger xing becomes this 'push' type of move - and not much else... am I right or wrong
To me Tiger (or any of the other animals) is a whole way of fighting representing the essence of the tiger - it's Xing - barehand, with sword, spear or whatever you happen to pick up at the time (Tiger beer bottle is pretty damn effective ). Each animal is full of character, depth and spontenaity.
Looked at like this XingYi becomes like studying 12 (or 13!) different martial arts 
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June 2nd, 2004, 07:31 PM
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but from what I've seen of the animals they seem to be an exstension of principles learned in the 5 fists, not so much a whole system unto themselves. But maybe I am wrong, its just confusing with so many schools having so many variations i get lost sometimes, even with an instructors help.....
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June 3rd, 2004, 12:23 AM
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Hehe, I'd point out the shameless self promotion if it wasnt such a good product one raises hands to chest and push outwards, the other raises them and twists while pushing upward, so the fingers point to eachother....is it just 2 ways of doing the same thing or have i been doing it wrong | ” | |
The standard form is hands to the chest, and push outwards, index and thumb fingers of each hand forming a triangle. BUT...there are so many variations of the Tiger form, even with pushing dowards and to the side, that it could blow your mind 
I love that emoticon...
But the point is that in all of them, the push is present
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June 3rd, 2004, 03:27 AM
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Rep Power: 38 | | | I gotta admit, I have to think real hard to see a push in the tiger graham and I do...
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June 3rd, 2004, 11:32 AM
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Rep Power: 6 | | Nope - we don't have a 'push' type movement in ours, but 99% of what I've seen out there called 'Tiger' seems to be a pushing type movement, (and not much else) Felipe's Tiger walkthrough on EmptyFlower shows this movement.
Although saying that... the first 'leaping' type movement we do with the palms upward (I think it's called 'supporting palm') could easily be made into a push if you changed the palm position...
'one root a thousand branches' - so, you could put a push in it if you wanted
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June 3rd, 2004, 01:18 PM
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Rep Power: 9 | | | my teacher knows the tiger with 5 moves its a push a downward clawing motion and other stuff
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June 3rd, 2004, 02:27 PM
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Although saying that... the first 'leaping' type movement we do with the palms upward (I think it's called 'supporting palm') could easily be made into a push if you changed the palm position... | ” | |
There it is.
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June 3rd, 2004, 05:19 PM
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June 3rd, 2004, 07:46 PM
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Rep Power: 6 | | Yes it is upward Pi, but you can also do it as a push type movement if you wanted (I guess)
[Edit] After looking at Felipe's walkthrough on Empty Flower, I think I'm looking in the wrong place in our link for something like a push If you move 2 moves further on in our link, then change the angle of the strike so that your hands are near each other instead of apart then you've got what looks like his 'Tiger form'. We do it as a strike though, not a push (as you know!)
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June 3rd, 2004, 08:11 PM
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Rep Power: 8 | | | The principle of Tiger is to 'press', which is found (but it's less evident) in the Pi Quan form. The pressing can be done in different directions.
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June 4th, 2004, 02:44 AM
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Rep Power: 6 | | | Yep, but like I said we tend to look at Tiger (or any of the animals) as a whole way of fighting rather than a single principle or 'form'.
[Edit: if by 'press' you mean that sense of a Tiger pouncing on its prey, then that part of what we go for in Tiger Xing.]
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June 4th, 2004, 03:44 AM
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Rep Power: 38 | | | Seems a bit odd, dont you think I mean, how often will you see a tiger 'press' its prey in order to get some food A tiger from what i've seen, swipes the **** outta the back of the animal to stop it from running away and then launches itself around the prey's neck and bites like mad in order to asphyxiate/bleed the animal to death.
And theres me thinking that xing yi was based on observing animals.... *pah!*
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June 4th, 2004, 08:26 AM
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Doesnt have to be only a push, doesnt have to be only a strike, and most of those 99% of pushing tiger forms arent applied exactly like when doing the form. A percent of that, considerably lower of course, has methods, details that u change in the form, to make them a complete power conditioning drill for dantien training or a chikung exercise.
Things arent always as they apear on the outside you know.
Hey LXL could you maybe scan the cover of ur book or maybe the...uhm....felipe how do u say indice in english that, where all the topics are organized by page number, scan that as a teaser
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