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September 18th, 2004, 06:37 PM
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I was just thinking, and looking around some forums, and saw people mentioning doing pushing hands within xing yi, so how is it possible Do you think its a good idea Lets discuss it! |
September 18th, 2004, 08:31 PM
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Yes, I already did it and it is great, with a lot of fajin !
Totally different from TC Push Hnds |
September 18th, 2004, 11:22 PM
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September 19th, 2004, 02:51 AM
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Rep Power: 38 | | | Technically speaking there isn't proper push hands, as you'd think of it like tai chi. I know James McNeil teaches it, but what he's doing isnt push hands, but more rather set combinations (example, you attack pi, I defend zuan, I attack pi, you defend zuan etc etc).
Its not really push hands, because xing yi isnt about pushing people over. Its about hitting them. Hard. Repeatedly. |
September 19th, 2004, 01:28 PM
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Rep Power: 10 | | | As I said before, it is totally different from TC push hands. Unfortunately I have no clips to show.
But it is not something like a strike combination: doing this; defend with that; and so on. In fact we do it without previously order combination.
It is a short distance technique using XY strikes with the so called “short force”, similar to 3 inches punch. It is difficult to have training partners because you can hurt one else if both aren't in the same skill. But it is an excellent technique for short distance train.
I don't know who else is teaching it, I‘d learned from my sifu but now he is no longer alive.
It will be good to know who else is training something like that . . . |
September 19th, 2004, 03:06 PM
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September 19th, 2004, 03:48 PM
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it's much more lighter than a fight and the idea is not to defeat the partner but to train each one sensibility in close distance; despite of acting in a dangerous way, but this is XY.
we initially trained just with hands and later also with feet ! |
September 19th, 2004, 04:23 PM
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September 19th, 2004, 05:36 PM
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Rep Power: 0 | | | I was thinking more like pushing hands + sticking hands combination for a xing yi pushing hands. also while doing the pushing hands, try to do some locks/bars, since we all know that these are the most efficient ones in a battle if not a 1 strike to kill...
say, you do the first pushing hands movements, then as you both sense that one of you is going to do a strike/lock/etc... the other must try to defend and counter attack somehow. Just like pushing hands, yet different. Kinda hard to explain over the net :-/ |
September 19th, 2004, 06:58 PM
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Rep Power: 6 | | | I know this is a Hsing i thread but just to clarify a point for li xiao long,regarding taiji pushing hands. Push hands is not designed to train people to push each other over, it is intended to develop skills required when within close striking range.
If a taiji practitioner uses the skill to push an opponent during a real fight its only because the opponent is crap and not worth hitting.
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September 19th, 2004, 08:22 PM
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Rep Power: 81 | | | It can be done with any system if you have a grasp of the techniques, there counters. You can set up drills that become somewhat free form.
Allows for sprcific skill building while still forceing the mind to vary and be open. Changeing with the tempo, spacing and different attacks.
More like Wing chuns exercises, Eventually free form which is pretty much sparring.
Also Quanzenren makes a very good point. If You can touch a person to push them you can strike them. Provided you have developed that skill.
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October 1st, 2004, 01:02 PM
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Rep Power: 9 | | | li mcneal teaches push hands with xingyi to i believe your thinking of wu xing shen ke quan
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October 1st, 2004, 02:48 PM
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Rep Power: 0 | | | SliqueRICK - Yeah, i was thinking of something like wu xing shen ke quan, but now that we do san shou pao, it looks much more like push hands. |
October 4th, 2004, 05:55 AM
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Rep Power: 22 | | I have learned sensetivity drills where you both contact the forearms and both use the 5 elements to attempt to defenmd or atack (or both) in order to touch the opponents body with a strike, Contact is not broken. It is an interesating excersise and very different to Tai Chi Push hands. It also builds good tendon power!
It is initially done static but then progresses top moving, things tend to get interesting then! 
It is a very interesting drill.
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March 5th, 2005, 09:48 AM
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Rep Power: 0 | | | Sorry to revive an old thread........... Chris, my shifu and I do that same (or very similar) drill. Teaches great toche sensitivity. It has also taught me many ways to use different techniques that otherwise would have taken many months to learn. A great teaching/learning tool. | |
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