Is there a complit Chinese system??

“	Cam: How much weaponry does MMA train regularly I have the idea its not that much, which is an important part for MA study.	”

Well, MMA simply means mixing martial arts, so anyone who trains in multiple arts that contain weapons will also study the weapons aspect. A lot of MMAer study the FMA systems and in turn learn a lot of stick and knife stuff but the bulk of MMAers only train for H2H, one on one combat. Every other skill is to be built off of that. It is my philosophy that I want to be confident in my ability to beat one highly skilled guy before moving into other areas. All too often I see "our style teaches to beat multiple opponents and deal with weapons" but then the guy gets scrubbed by a single grappler who is empty handed. If the guy can't beat a single unarmed opponent how can he ever hope to beat multiple opponents with weapons I think a lot of these people that subscribe to this theory need to go back to the drawing board and discard the notion of multiple opponents and weapons and build their fundamental skills first so that they can effectively deal with a single skilled opponent.

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I'm on AOL Instant Messenger. Same screen name.

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xing is an all around system but usually those who do xing i chuan also do pa-kua zhen and then they do tai chi between all three practiced at least 5-7 days a week no less then 4 hours a day in about 25 years you could be considerred good enough to teach even then you have never completed the learning since it never stops you learn the system then you spend the rest of your life understranding it when you die in bed preferrably the same one you were born in as did sun liu tang you have completed training for you have come full circle
SO SAYITH THE TAO

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“	Originally Posted By: Lugaldamhara No one said it was... and spit out that pube. I think you sucked more than some "knowledge"... Peace- Cam	”

Cam,

You have probably posted this before however, can you please advise what MA experience you have. I know you said TKD which I am sure puts you right up there as a fighter. You have also probably done a ton of CMA as you seem to be able to comment on most styles and systems.

Are you a jack of all trades and master of none

Let see if you can dodge this question. Go on, give us specifics about where you train, web site so we can verify your attendance, etc etc.

My money is on the fact that you don't know squat. Which is ok. But just don't go bagging anyone out as if you know it all.

Im not playing favorites here but you beginners should take it easy with cam give the guy a break he never said MIXED Martial Arts was an individual style. I am a CMA student. but i spent the early years of my martial development in the styles used for mma BJJ,shotokahnkarate,and greco wrestling. then when I got older i joined the marine corps. i cant speak for all other branches of the service but i can say that MMA has its place. I cant think of a better example of how effective a mixing can be when you need an idiot proof fighting method that needs to work 100% of the time everytime without any thought and minimal effort required.Granted the military training is set for killing not fighting. to be exact the non lethal tactics are simply set ups for the finish. in sport and schools that endorse MMA organizations are set for sport. they do dabble in the fine art of ripping the head off and beating the body with the bloody stump but these techniques are limited to the advanced practitioner and even then are not made into the main idea of practice. in the Marines they spend about a month 12 hours a day 6 days a week training in h2h combat during boot camp. this training even though it is mixed and the raining time is breif ;most of you have to admit especially the wannabes with 15minutes of training that the Marines are known for our fighting ability even though it is incomplete.after that i took up internal kung fu methods and i would say the WUTANG is the best over even shaolin for overall life long ability and health which is the goal of most serious martial arts systems and artists..and a side point if one is asking the question whats the most complete fighting systems its because they want to have the secure safe feeling that they wont get beat up. the best way to achieve that sense of security (which i know of no one who has) get into a lot of real street fights and with people in your catagory little old man or young boy doesnt count fight real men and remember this fight like its the last thing you are ever going to do because it might be.

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“	Cam, You have probably posted this before however, can you please advise what MA experience you have.	”

16 years overall. 3 years TKD... trained with world ATA champ Calvin Mills. A few American rules kickboxing matches back in the early 90s. Have trained personally with black belts in Shotokan karate (Joe Cameron), ****o Ryu karate (Yasuo Omae), Goshin Jujutsu (Chad Coggin) and Muay Thai (Pierre Guillet). Officially trained in Lissajous Do (black belt) under Joel Chavous (2nd degree) which is a hybrid style composed of karate, western boxing and Wing Chun. Joel's 3 instructors put this system together. I have also dabbled in some pure WC and some FMA (have also trained with world renowned instructor Eddie Camden who is under Francis Fong and Pedro Sauer) but very little. I trained myself to grapple by studying various video tapes and training with people from BJJ, sambo, judo and wrestling. I am currently teaching a hybrid system of Praxis that myself, my instructor Mr. Chavous, and another one of his black belts, John Wehby (GA. Tech wrestling coach) put together. It is a a synthesis of Joel's striking knowledge, John's wrestling knowledge and my submission grappling knowledge. I have two schools, one in Macon, GA and one in Griffin, GA. where I train fighters for MMA competition. I have about 35 students over all with at least half of them consistently training and actively competing, quite successfully.
As far as my personal record I am 11-2 in MMA with numerous MMA and submission grappling titles to my name. I have been competing since 1998. I have held world titles and I also have wins on my record over other world title holders. I am the current ISCF U.S. champion.

“	I know you said TKD which I am sure puts you right up there as a fighter.	”

Nope. I used to get beat up by wrestlers all the time when all I knew was TKD. But now that I know how to fight and am familiar with multiple ranges, the knowledge I gained in TKD is invaluable.

“	You have also probably done a ton of CMA as you seem to be able to comment on most styles and systems.	”

Have trained with quite a few CMA practitioners (most notablt Eddie Camden, mentioned above) but never really "studied" any because I never really saw a whole lot that was useful that I didn't already encounter outside of CMA. That's not to say that CMA doesn't contain anything useful, as it actually does contain quite a bit of great stuff if one knows where to look. It's just that anything I encountered in CMA that I thought gad validity I had already encountered elsewhere due to my experience. For a beginner starting out any of the CMAs would be a great place to start.

“	Are you a jack of all trades and master of none	”

I am a jack of all martial arts, master of fighting.

“	Let see if you can dodge this question. Go on, give us specifics about where you train, web site so we can verify your attendance, etc etc.	”

No need to dodge, I gave a lot of specifics about who I trained with above. As for the website of my schools, no problem

www.angelfire.com/extreme4/afapraxis

A lot of info is there including my fight record and a listing of all my titles.

“	My money is on the fact that you don't know squat.	”

Care to put your money where your mouth is

So there you have it. Now let's hear about you.

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“	Originally Posted By: Lugaldamhara 16 years overall. 3 years TKD... trained with world ATA champ Calvin Mills. A few American rules kickboxing matches back in the early 90s. Have trained personally with black belts in Shotokan karate (Joe Cameron), ****o Ryu karate (Yasuo Omae), Goshin Jujutsu (Chad Coggin) and Muay Thai (Pierre Guillet). Officially trained in Lissajous Do (black belt) under Joel Chavous (2nd degree) which is a hybrid style composed of karate, western boxing and Wing Chun. Joel's 3 instructors put this system together. I have also dabbled in some pure WC and some FMA (have also trained with world renowned instructor Eddie Camden who is under Francis Fong and Pedro Sauer) but very little. I trained myself to grapple by studying various video tapes and training with people from BJJ, sambo, judo and wrestling. I am currently teaching a hybrid system of Praxis that myself, my instructor Mr. Chavous, and another one of his black belts, John Wehby (GA. Tech wrestling coach) put together. It is a a synthesis of Joel's striking knowledge, John's wrestling knowledge and my submission grappling knowledge. I have two schools, one in Macon, GA and one in Griffin, GA. where I train fighters for MMA competition. I have about 35 students over all with at least half of them consistently training and actively competing, quite successfully. As far as my personal record I am 11-2 in MMA with numerous MMA and submission grappling titles to my name. I have been competing since 1998. I have held world titles and I also have wins on my record over other world title holders. I am the current ISCF U.S. champion.	”

pffff....

what a scrub....




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Thats what i hate you Lugaldamhara... You think you're a god of some sort.
And the following says it all:

"I am a jack of all martial arts, master of fighting."
"Care to put your money where your mouth is"

But you always think like that, you always underestimate EVERYONE on the forum.

So i think you should stop, maybe you're a champion in one way or another, but when it comes to respecting others, you lack in that category!

Dan - when you say "martial development in the styles used for mma" what do you mean MMA in general is mixed martial arts, and saying you did styles used FOR mma is like saying MMA is a style, which is not a valid statement.

I think your wrong there Vamp and it betrayes your lack of experience, Lug has many years of experience which for some reason scares you.

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I dont count years, since i am still only 16, so Lugaldamhara was training for as long as i live... But i dont really care, i beat my karate teacher, expect no less from me

Vamp,

I'd probably go a little easy. While one not agree with everything that Lug says, he's out there testing it. Taking a few quotes from the above:

"It is my philosophy that I want to be confident in my ability to beat one highly skilled guy before moving into other areas ... build their fundamental skills first"

"I never really saw a whole lot that was useful that I didn't already encounter outside of CMA. That's not to say that CMA doesn't contain anything useful, as it actually does contain quite a bit of great stuff if one knows where to look."

sounds sensible to me.

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“	Thats what i hate you Lugaldamhara... You think you're a god of some sort.	”

Why, thank you, Dr.!!! I will get to work on my god complex right away!!!!!
No.... I don't think I am anything I am not. The fact is that I DO know what I am, and that seems to scare you.

“	And the following says it all: "I am a jack of all martial arts, master of fighting." "Care to put your money where your mouth is"	”

So, by your definition, anyone who replies to underhanded remarks on a message board has a god complex The two sentences above were simply retorts to BS that was spewed out by darkhorse.

“	So i think you should stop,	”

Luckily I don't give a damn what you think, you little snot nosed cry baby.

“	maybe you're a champion in one way or another, but when it comes to respecting others, you lack in that category!	”

I give respect to those who earn it and in his post above darkhorse was telling me he didn't respect me, therefore he doesn't deserve my respect. Sorry. As a matter of fact, I wonder if you two know each other....

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Cam,

Dont waste your posts, they are just kids, hope they will grow up someday.

“	Originally Posted By: RobT Vamp, I'd probably go a little easy. While one not agree with everything that Lug says, he's out there testing it. Taking a few quotes from the above: "It is my philosophy that I want to be confident in my ability to beat one highly skilled guy before moving into other areas ... build their fundamental skills first" "I never really saw a whole lot that was useful that I didn't already encounter outside of CMA. That's not to say that CMA doesn't contain anything useful, as it actually does contain quite a bit of great stuff if one knows where to look." sounds sensible to me.	”

yeah i agree. I was asking Cam as I wanted to make sure he wasn't some guy/kid who hadn't put it on the line and basically didn't know squat. Cam, you have a lot of experience. Don't know if you a master of martial arts. big call. there is a lot more to MA than stepping in a ring. Also, not being able to do one style for a long period of time really only allows the instructor to teach you the basics. It has taken me 2 years to start to be able to have a good stance and absorb weight let alone being able to redirect.

“	I was asking Cam as I wanted to make sure he wasn't some guy/kid who hadn't put it on the line and basically didn't know squat.	”

You should have tried reading some previous posts and threads in this forum then and would have saved yourself some embarrasment instead of now having to cop out.