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September 21st, 2004, 12:02 AM
|  | Lung Pao | | Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Puerto Rico {San Sebastian} Style(s): Shaolin Chuan Fa Kung Fu Year(s): 16
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Rep Power: 10 | |  Is there a complit Chinese system??
Is there a complit Chinese system I mean, at the begining a Shaolin monk had to study day and night for more than 10, 12 evan 30 years to be considerd a teacher. Today u just go to a shcool 2 day a week and in 3, 4 or 5 years your a teacher and if you want to do something diffrent you make your on shcool. |
September 21st, 2004, 03:45 AM
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No... none that I have ever heard of or come in contact with.
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September 21st, 2004, 04:15 AM
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Rep Power: 0 | | | Well, putonghua, gouyu and huayu all seem to be pretty complete Chinese systems. (Sorry, OT I know, but I couldn't resist). |
September 21st, 2004, 10:35 AM
|  | Fear is the Mind Killer | | Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: MA Style(s): Long Men Jia Quan Year(s): 27
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Well, putonghua, gouyu and huayu all seem to be pretty complete Chinese systems. (Sorry, OT I know, but I couldn't resist). | ” | |
Well I guess, when you ask a silly question...
lol @ robin
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September 22nd, 2004, 02:32 PM
|  | Banned | | Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Israel Style(s): XingYiQuan/BaguaZhang Year(s): 2 Months
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Rep Power: 0 | | | Ill tell you, since you posted in the Xing Yi forum: Xing Yi is one of the more complete systems, it contains nearly everything you will ever need to know about fighting, and just for health.
1. Stand Fighting
2. Grappling (Ground Fighting)
3. Chin Na
4. Throws
5. Weapons
6. Blocking
Though, it doesnt emphasis much on Stretching, since stretching is obsolete in Xing Yi, because in the old days, you were wearing armor and your enemy was, so i dont think kicking is any good in this situation, and most chinese martial arts are more about striking under the belt because it is: Faster and more efficient.
Well, you also mentioned the time thing, with Xing Yi, you can train all the time, every sifu would join the class while teaching the students. You know why Because xing yi, while it looks really simple, is one of the hardest martial arts to learn, ever!
I hope i helped you :-/ And yes, what they said about the chinese language systems :P |
September 25th, 2004, 12:41 AM
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Rep Power: 0 | | | I'd really like to see Xing Yi's "grappling/groundfighting" component. |
September 25th, 2004, 02:50 AM
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Rep Power: 168 | | | “ | I'd really like to see Xing Yi's "grappling/groundfighting" component. | ” | |
It probably looks a lot like aikido.
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September 25th, 2004, 04:26 AM
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Posted By: yireses
Is there a complit Chinese system I mean, at the begining a Shaolin monk had to study day and night for more than 10, 12 evan 30 years to be considerd a teacher. Today u just go to a shcool 2 day a week and in 3, 4 or 5 years your a teacher and if you want to do something diffrent you make your on shcool. | ” | |
well the answer is in the question now isn't it
if it took a monk say 20 years 10 hours a day and say 6 days a week to learn a complete system...
that's a rough 62 and a half THOUSANT hours of training
compare that against the guys that train like 8 hours (and that's being optimistic...  ) a week for 3 years...
62500 to 1250
no way in he77 that the last dude is gonna learn a complete system 
let's see the basic eagle claw forms:
6 Northern Fist forms
18 eagle claw forms
25 weapon forms
9 two man fist sets
14 two man weapon sets
and then there are the 108 eagle claw techniques
also with solo and two man sets....
that's a pretty complete system IMHO...
it contains everything from simple strikes and blocks, to throwdowns and wrestling, from sweeps till fighting an armed opponent barehanded
and systems like this are made that training them will help you to improve on other skills as well...
I know training braodsword might seem really useless for a MMA fighter...
for a TCMA it'll give you a better understanding of your basics, improve your speed, coordination, timing (really... you don't wanna slam that thing into your own legs.. or face....  ) etc. etc.
the endless stance training, the forms, the hitting of trees....
it's all done with a purpose
and if you cannot give it the time and energy it needs
you end up with bits and pieces that won't hold...
like you got sand, gravel and cement, but you never add the water or do not know how the mix is made properly...
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October 1st, 2004, 05:43 AM
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Rep Power: 7 | | Yeah, I know a complete chinise system. It's called the ARMY of the peoples republic of China. No one would like to mess with them, there just run you down...... 
No really. There is no complete system  (But Cam is sure to prove me wrong here, he allways proves everybody wrong I think. Maybe because his system is complete and B-coz he can't fight him self he can't know that yet, go figger  ...) 
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October 1st, 2004, 08:12 AM
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Rep Power: 168 | | | “ | But Cam is sure to prove me wrong here, he allways proves everybody wrong I think. Maybe because his system is complete | ” | |
I don't have a "system", only a philosophy.
And my skillset is complete "at the moment" for 1 on 1 hand to hand combat, although there are certain aspects I need to get better at and I am sure that within the next few months it will become incomplete again, to which I will seek to complete it once again.
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October 1st, 2004, 08:46 AM
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October 1st, 2004, 09:04 AM
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No one said it was... and spit out that pube. I think you sucked more than some "knowledge"...
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October 1st, 2004, 10:04 AM
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Rep Power: 5 | | | Hsing I has counters to ground fighting that aspect has not been over looked in the system but does not have ground fighting techniques to the degree of jj or judo for reasons of the nature of the art.
The nature of TCC is in rollback/strike to a high degree the nature of Hsing I is Yang energy to a high degree every step is a kick, martial techniques are hidden or covert in the forms it is meant to be subtle movements so no one will notice when you are fighting and counters other styles by not fully extending, for the joint lockers and throwers, gap in posture, sudden shaking power, explosive outward movement of the whole body and low stances for ground fighters, parry angles for strikers and the list goes on. Very powerful punches and kicks manifest in Hsing I and is good for health because proper use of body and energy.
Art is short for artificial people are real and the only thing that can become complete that is after dropping all the forms, it is hard to let go sometimes. |
October 1st, 2004, 11:12 AM
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Rep Power: 0 | | | Not to mention the VERY agressive nature of the art, which is - You dont let your enemy even time to think, you advance at him (with any fashion, i like the half step because it helps you close the gap between you and him, and its a very fast way to advance), destroying his defence (Lugaldamhara, defence it is, but just FYI, it can also be spelled defense!), and kicking with all the 7 stars - Head, shoulders, Elbow, Hands (in all forms), Hips, Knees, Feet.
If you want to get a complete system, go for Xing Yi, it has everything a real fighter should need (hence, its a complete system). |
October 19th, 2004, 06:33 AM
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Rep Power: 0 | | | “ | Hsing I has counters to ground fighting that aspect has not been over looked in the system but does not have ground fighting techniques to the degree of jj or judo for reasons of the nature of the art. | ” | |
Oh, do tell... | |
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