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October 19th, 2004, 12:12 PM
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Posted By: chris_davis01
Hsing I angulates the force of the opponents attacks away whilst striking back simultaniously. This means that every time an opponent attacks they get attacked - even when jabbing or flicking out fast kicks. Therefor it doesnt matter how fast the opponent is - a good hsing i man will overcome the force directed at him with a more refined and better angulated use of force.
Also with the ability strike without range - it is very hard for an opponent to see a high power strike coming - for example they tend not to view a front guard arm as a threat until they feel a pi chuan in the face as they try to cross the guard! - i say feel - maybe i shgould say wake up with a big hand pint on their face! 
Hsing I has a very advanced stepping methodology which includes stamping onto the opponents legs whilst chasing them down. Bouncy bouncy or not - it just means they will fly further when they get smacked.
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True but when you read this it sounds like the same thing WC guys claim. Just insert WC into the above statement.
Hmm where's FF
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October 19th, 2004, 12:42 PM
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Rep Power: 127 | | | I'm a little curious myself. I was under the impression that Hsing I practitioners used intent as a driving force. Like Li and Chris said, it's not really a matter of said techniques, but what is right for that moment.
If you're at the point of looking for certain techniques to handle certain styles/ situations..... then more time is needed. Training time that is.
As for them bouncy poeple, good luck to them.
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October 19th, 2004, 01:36 PM
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Yeh i see what you mean, but like i said the power generation principles, the movements and the tactics are different. I dont practice wing chun but have sparred with guys that have. It is a very different sort of power output.
Jawsman,
yeh Intent is the driving force - i was trying to describe it in terms of technique - which i am sure you will appreciate is very difficult when techniques are not where its at Fighting wise.
Like i said a steel ball rolling over you is the best way i can discribe hsing i. 
Cheers guys
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October 19th, 2004, 01:51 PM
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Jawsman,
yeh Intent is the driving force - i was trying to describe it in terms of technique - which i am sure you will appreciate is very difficult when techniques are not where its at Fighting wise.
Like i said a steel ball rolling over you is the best way i can discribe hsing i.
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Very true words. That's the same way I described myself in Aqira's thread. http://www.dragonslist.com/discussio...read.phpt=8884
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October 20th, 2004, 03:25 AM
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Incidentally, the differences between wc and xy are such that either art could inter change their names for the bit of prose which chris wrote. However - big big difference - so far in my limited experience of being whooped by wc (!!  ) that the blows, might be quick, but lack the amount of power as developed by someone with xy, and almost always they never follow it up with correct footwork - they seem much more happier to just stand and chain punch.
Its just a good job I can overcome chain punching with 1 hand these days
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October 20th, 2004, 04:43 AM
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Maybe i should quit with the diplomacy in my posts!
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October 20th, 2004, 06:53 AM
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October 21st, 2004, 12:44 PM
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Its just a good job I can overcome chain punching with 1 hand these days | ” | |
And that's when a whole new world opens up. 
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October 22nd, 2004, 03:36 AM
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Hello all - am new to this forum. I live in Budapest, have been practising XingYi (Hebei style) for 5 months or so and spent 3.5 years training Wing Chun in the UK (Kamon) and a little Leung Ting WingTsun over here in Hungary.
(By the way, I recently ordered Alex's two XingYi VCDs and they are excellent).
Regarding the WC/XY connection, I would say the two arts are miles apart. As said, stepping, power generation and issuing and intent are different.
A friend of mine in New York studies XY and also has some WC (and Mantis) experience. He summed it up like this: "WC has kind hands. Tan, Bong and Fuk defend but do nothing negative to the attacker's limb. XY on the other hand is cruel, you destroy the opponent's attacking limb on your way into their head."
My favourite XY related quote I heard was this, when someone asked what XY is was
"Imagine how easy it is to push over a big, heavy man when he's just lost his balance. Now imagine that man losing his balance and at the same time being hit by a speeding car... that's XingYi." 
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October 22nd, 2004, 05:24 AM
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November 5th, 2004, 07:47 PM
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Rep Power: 7 | | | li xiao got it best i have had the misfortune of using xing i in a fight and i must say there is no way to not know that someone was hit with internal power.also fighting fat is obviously not very well versed in the internal systems to say the least since its true you should be rooted however it is a double edge sword the basic shan ti stance is 40-60 so you are rooted and moveable the essence of xing yi or three legged boxing minf form fist whatever when you move you move as wind over water you explode like dynamite and sink like a mountain |
November 20th, 2004, 03:04 AM
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Rep Power: 0 | | | And say i would go about sparring with xing yi, it wont be like kickboxing, right So how will it be |
November 20th, 2004, 06:02 AM
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"fighting with Xingyi is like making a space n then you can shove the whole truck through"
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November 20th, 2004, 06:28 AM
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