Xing Yi Fighting

Here, a new topic, and a pretty original one at that:

How would one know that the practitioner is actually fighting xing yi style
For example, I just asked FightingFat over MSN if he knows how to fight someone bouncy (kickboxer, karateka, external kung fu) when you're rooted He told me to put pressure on the person (getting in his centre line), since the person has no short range ().

So, how would you define a person who is fighting Xing Yi style

(Its a general question)

.....cause you would wake up in hospital....

seriously thought - A good hsing i man attacking will cover all your angles of attack and run you down. It wont be a 'my go - your go' sort of session. Just a 'my go, my go, my go' etc

it feels like your being run over by a large metal ball.

Cheers
Chris

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Seems reasonable enough, but, i could say that on any other agressive person. So what truely defines someone who fights with xing yi There is this clip in Jareks website, of Apostal fighting with some other guy who does taekwondo, i've seen clearly what the taekwondo guy does (and he DOES do TKD), but what Apostal does, doesnt resemble to xing yi in any tiny bit.

So, how would you define a xing yi fighter

dude give the kid an freakin break he was a complete begginer then

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Oh you so need to come to the UK. We'll give you a good dose of whoopass.

Incidentally - I agree with Chris on this. Aggression is not the same as smothering _everything_ you do whilst pummelling you into the ground. I can be tackled hard, but it sure as hell wont feel the same as one biatch slap 'pi'

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LOL - agreed Li.

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However, if you cant say anything else about Xing Yi Fighting, then you're probably still a newbie. So, anything else

But why should we go into the detail when you already seem to know it

Lets look at your question:
"How would one know that the practitioner is actually fighting xing yi style"

You would get hammered. HARD. End of story. The only time that this may not happen, is if the other guy is playing with xing yi too.

It wont look pretty, and it wont look like 5 element fighting. True xing yi is _all_ about using the right implement, at the right time, into the right part of flesh. Its not about techniques. Its just what ever is right at that time!

So yes - we have answered your question, and no we are not newbies.

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XVampireX,

Something you gotta realise is that Hsing I Guys work with lines of force and advance pretty much all the time - Its not characterised by technique but by intent.

If you come up against a good hsing i man you will not trade blows, you will be on the defensive even if you are trying to be on the offensive! very few styles can deal with this and very few styles have this ability to completely consume the opponent.

Chris

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Vamp you are really making a fool of youself. You are talking to two experienced Hsing Yi Players like you know some thing.

You Don't. You are the one who just started their Hsing Yi training a few months ago and the sooner you shut your trap and acknowledge that you don't know a damn, the sooner you'll be able to absorb some things people are saying to you.

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Maybe i didnt ask the question right, so ill try to re-ask with a different question: How would one fight with Xing Yi Regarding Steps/Techniques/vs other styles (as mentioned before, the bouncing type of person vs xing yi, say if you cant catch up with him)/speed/power.

Yes, i do not know anything, but this is why i ask. Also, I believe that Wing Chun should have the same pummeling thing as in xing yi, or maybe no

No, not really. Though a good WC fighter with the right body mechanics can apply it in a similar way.

And to answer your question. In a "fight" someone has to initiate. You can't initiate or redirect your energy well with your feet off the ground or even too lightly rooted. There are some unorthodox movements that work, similar to drunkard boxing or monkey but you have to have skill to maintain a good fighting position. You are simply not generating a maximum of force while not connected to the ground.

Though there is a false sense of mobility and a lot of spring, a bounce type of fighters truly has a disadvantage if the opponant has a strong sense of timeing. Keep in mind I am a former TKD guy.
You can only run and bounce so much. When you get caught you bleed.

I think of WC fighters like Machine guns.
And XY fighter is like a shotgun.

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“	Regarding Steps/Techniques/vs other styles (as mentioned before, the bouncing type of person vs xing yi, say if you cant catch up with him)/speed/power.	”

Hsing I angulates the force of the opponents attacks away whilst striking back simultaniously. This means that every time an opponent attacks they get attacked - even when jabbing or flicking out fast kicks. Therefor it doesnt matter how fast the opponent is - a good hsing i man will overcome the force directed at him with a more refined and better angulated use of force.

Also with the ability strike without range - it is very hard for an opponent to see a high power strike coming - for example they tend not to view a front guard arm as a threat until they feel a pi chuan in the face as they try to cross the guard! - i say feel - maybe i shgould say wake up with a big hand pint on their face!

Hsing I has a very advanced stepping methodology which includes stamping onto the opponents legs whilst chasing them down. Bouncy bouncy or not - it just means they will fly further when they get smacked.

Also Pi chuan can stop an opponent bouncing around, when used as a grappling power it will stick an opponent to the ground while you run him over. or as a striking power it will root them momentarily while you proceed.

“	Also, I believe that Wing Chun should have the same pummeling thing as in xing yi, or maybe no	”

Wing chun is quite different in my experience, different power generation, different movement pattern, different fight stratergy etc.

Regards
Chris

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“	I think of WC fighters like Machine guns. And XY fighter is like a shotgun.	”

good analogy - i would have said Cannon though!

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True but I didnt want to create the sense of such a huge disparity. Imply that XY was not fast or that WC was not powerful.

I think the saying in my Sig says it all though.

one hit, see blood.

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